My Experiences on Craigslist vs. Cuddle Comfort

edited December 2022 in General

Thought some of you might find this interesting.

As you may know, Craigslist used to have personal ads--that went away around five years ago due to laws about legal liability. There wasn't just one "personals" section--there were several. There was "strictly platonic," "men seeking women" or "women seeking men" for traditional dating, and "casual encounters" for something sexual with no strings attached. You could write your own ads, so it was a great opportunity for experimentation, only limited by your imagination and writing abilities.

I tried a variety of approaches in all of these categories, both posting and answering ads. It could be something as simple as "it's Friday night and I'm not doing anything, let's meet for a drink," or something with more long-term potential (I did end up in a year-long committed relationship as a result of an ad). I wasn't (and still aren't) looking to meet up for "instant sex" but I was open to something more than "strictly platonic." I responded to ads from women who just wanted some kissing, or a back rub. One woman advertised for "naked cuddling" and chose me. She was very personable and we ended up having a nice time. No, we didn't have sex, by my choice.

No one ever catfished me or failed to show up after agreeing to meet. There would typically be an initial contact, then maybe a few back-and-forth emails (with pictures), and then we'd meet. I ended up not meeting most of the women who contacted me--there were a lot of flakes and window shoppers--so it required patience. I ended up probably meeting 10% to 20% of the women who answered my ads. Similarly, most of the ads I answered didn't result in a response (not surprising, considering the avalanche of mail that women get online). If it was something casual, I would invite the woman to come by my place and we would meet outside, walk for a bit, and chat (I live in a nice neighborhood with police and 24-hour security close by). If there was a mutual connection, I'd invite them inside for a drink and more chat. If not, we'd part way respectfully, no harm done. Sometimes, there'd be some affection if we were both interested. Sometimes not. I never pushed for anything unwelcome--that's just not my style.

I can honestly say that that these experiences were overwhelmingly positive. Nothing "bad" ever happened. Some connections were stronger than others, but I think most of the women I met felt like it was a good use of their time. I always tried to make it clear that if someone was my guest, their comfort and enjoyment was my top priority, and nothing would happen that they didn't want to happen. My guests seemed to appreciate that.

There were a number of women that I developed friendships with. Over a span of maybe four or five years, I met dozens of women. No one ever suggested that they should be paid for their company, and no one ever asked for money.

So that's Craigslist. What about Cuddle Comfort? I've been on this site a year and half. I've contacted numerous women with no response. Women almost never contact me--when they do, 99% of the time they're "pros" and I'm not looking for paid cuddling. I've met a grand total of two women--neither resulted in cuddles. So my success rate on this site has essentially been zero.

I'm the same person, with similar photos (I'm a little older now than when I was on Craigslist), same personality, same everything. I've bent over backwards in my profile to be reassuring. So why I did do fairly well on Craigslist, but zippo on Cuddle Comfort?

Your thoughts ... ?

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  • Because finding a female enthusiast to cuddle could, indeed, take years. Any female enthusiast on this site gets buried in messages, and then you have to take into account the number of people (male and female) who join just to look around and have no intention of getting with a stranger for platonic cuddling. Going with a pro is the quick and easy way and it's not for everyone ... seeking an enthusiast is inscribing War and Peace on the head of a pin, time-consuming, requiring infinite patience, and still may not work out.

  • I find it very interesting, thank you.

    No idea why there is such a big difference.

  • @WriterGF Valid points, but there was a similar dynamic on Craigslist. Lots of flakes, window shoppers, and people just looking for attention. Almost any woman who posted received an avalanche of mail (when I met someone through answering their ad, I would ask about this).

    It took a lot of patience and wading through false alarms, and yet it usually took only a few weeks to meet a credible person, not years.

  • edited December 2022

    Craigslist was much better for finding platonic. No lengthy and wordy profiles. No long list of rules and stipulations. No video chats. Just a few texts and perhaps a picture or two. If I posted about having an extra concert ticket or about looking for someone to go to a sports event or movie or something else, usually someone would respond and end up going. Other than me paying for wherever we went there was never any request that I give them anything else. Many times we ended up cuddling spontaneously, which was more satisfying in many ways than having to pay to cuddle. Even some true friendships developed.

  • I think you have to keep in mind the time frames as well. Professional cuddling wasn't really that popular back then. So a lot of the people you met with would probably be professional cuddlers now over just an enthusiast. That's just my guess.

    I honestly think having Craigslist where people who were looking for sexual interactions were able to be open about it helped keep people in their "Lane" so to speak. On here it can really be all over the place on why people are reaching out to you. So I think there is a lot of burn out with enthusiasts.

  • [Deleted User]stdisc0827 (deleted user)

    Enthusiasts on this site is nothing but exchange of mails and messages

    Personally I have zero success

    And the worst part is so many people suggested that I might not have appealed properly, spent enough time and several other comments and suggestions. Many made me believe that it’s my bad.. Finally when I see almost everyone has similar experience of zero success, I started believing that I did nothing wrong 😀 and that’s the nature of this site with enthusiasts

    You want to cuddle, please pay 💰
    No free lunches, I mean hugs 🤗

  • edited December 2022

    Craigslist is in its own circle which is poorly managed and CC is in its own circle and honestly in a league of its own which has awesome TOS and awesome MGT and I really hope the 2 never shall mix.

  • Here's a situation where size does matter. Craigslist was huge compared to CC so you had a lot more possibilities for success.

  • @stdisc0827 you are correct. It is all about the 💵💰 sometimes will get minimal to no response even when offering to pay. I personally don’t mind when a pro doesn’t respond because I probably dodged a bullet from someone who doesn’t respect my time or money. The worst for me is getting a response from a pro months later like we didn’t miss a beat. I dunno, maybe it took months to wade through all the mail lol. Anyway good luck to all and happy holidays!

  • Don't mind me.... I'm just waiting for the show that's about to happen.....


  • edited December 2022

    CC is a much smaller platform that's difficult to advertise to the right demographic without also inviting the flakes, scammers, window shoppers and bad apples . A pro went viral on Tik tok last year, soon came a flood of "pros" looking to make a quick buck and an increase IMO of bad members and time wasters. So it's difficult to grow a community like CC without also potentially destroying it.
    It needs to grow organically and that's going to take time.

  • Taking advice from other forum posts on here, if you identify as a man and want platonic cuddles with enthusiasts, there are plenty of other men on here to cuddle with. I know it may be something one would not consider for many reasons, but men can give excellent platonic cuddles as I have found.

    @sillysassy omg if I was eating popcorn it would be all over my room right now 😂

  • Its such a shame that craigslist had to shut down that side of it. Very sad.

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  • I’m an enthusiast and can’t see any reason why they wouldn’t want to cuddle with you. Maybe it’s just Cali and everyone already has a cuddle buddy or another similar start up app they’re using for same.

  • 🤣 @CuddleDuncan

    @FitSmartCuddler I've posted on Craigslist too and I have also been pleasantly surprised. I am a woman and offering cuddling as a pro, so this is coming from a different angle, but here are some thoughts.

    Like others have mentioned, on craigslist the pond is a lot bigger and it started off as the OG place for people to meet people on the internet. It was like the place where anybody who wanted anything would go. A lawn mower or a sex worker, anything is possible. It was the wild west. As the internet grew, people found more specialized places to ask for what they wanted and more platforms with better graphics and marketing started pulling people away from Craigslist. Finally, SESTA and FOSTA step in to try and limit human trafficking and as a result also kick off perfectly legit sex workers and all the rest of us who just went there to find random stuff.

    I think what you are struggling with on CC is just a case of the "times have changed and I don't like it". People have figured out how to monetize so many more things and also realized that some things that have been taken for granted for a very long time are actually valuable. Many people have realized that convenience is valuable! Emotional labor is valuable! Safety is valuable! Emotional comfort is valuable! Physical comfort is valuable! And we are all richer or poorer in these qualities and skills in different ways. We have all been paying for it or benefiting from it in different ways too. Its evening out in a way where you can either do a lot more work for what you want for free, or you can pay the fee.

    Regardless, I will sympathize with you and say that I miss the wildness of the olden Craigsllist days. I miss talking to strangers on AOL or Omegle and how weird and interesting all that was. Its like nostalgia for a different time in technology.

  • I enjoyed reading , I agree with @Hugginghealer .

  • People have figured out how to monetize so many more things @MxSmith 💯💯💯

    Thank you for saying this as a Pro female on CC 🙏🏻 🌌

    And that’s the answer guys … This is not to debate whether a pro is caring or not, or if they genuinely have a passion for offering comfort or not, and list goes on because there’s a million ways people could tear and pick at this, which I know from experience in many different subjects on the forum) …

    Assume that the enthusiast that joined did so to become a pro, assume that they thought about taking the leap at becoming one but got cold feet at the moment of truth, and/or assume that they aren’t ready yet … I see many many & I mean many guys on the forum internalize “perceived rejection” here from female enthusiats… the truth is there are wayyyy less than what you see or actually think …. Also, the ones that are here as enthusiasts have a lot of people knocking on their doors, not so much the other way around, so they have an abundance of options … and while guys are more prone and comfortable at making a bunch of connections in general and having several female cuddling partners, I think that females will be more than content if they find 1 or 2 and stop there.

  • edited December 2022

    I think that everybody seems to have missed the two real reasons for the difference.

    First of all, Craigslist was much bigger. Yes, CC has thousands of members, but those members are spread out all over the world. Craigslist had thousands of people (members isn't the right word) in a single metropolitan area.

    Secondly the ratio of men to women is very different. I suspect, that if we could suddenly get rid of all of the men on CC, who are really wanting sexual. that ratio would be much more even. Craigslist actually did have a way of keeping the sex hunting men off of the platonic section. They offered the "Casual Encounters" section, that siphoned off the guys who wanted sex. Those men wouldn't bother with the Platonic section, where the chances of a "score" were worse than they are here. Besides, it was easier not to have to pretend that all they really wanted was a cuddle.

    Although I have no data to back me up, I am actually convinced Craigslist that a great number of women participating, than men. As "evidence," I'll tell you about two experiences that I had there. Both of these stories began with a woman's post on Craigslist Platonic section, and both are absolutely true.

    The first, was a post from a middle aged woman who had just discovered that her husband had been having a very torrid "sexting" affair. She was confused, and very hurt. She was looking for a man's perspective for an explanation of her husbands behavior. She received all of four responses. The other three replies were from men who wanted to "console" her. How many do you think that she would have received here? Eventually, she and her husband came to an understanding, and she and I became very close. We never met, or even exchanged photos, but we "adopted" each other as brother and sister. Even after all these years, we still talk, although not as often.

    My second experience there was with a young (early 20's) single mother names Angel, although that probably wasn't her real name. Her post said that she had been thrown out of the house when she became pregnant, and hadn't spoken to either of her parents in six years. She was looking for an older man who could offer her guidance, in place of her father.
    After I responded, That I was the only "older man" who replied, and I learned the rest of her story. She had dropped out of high school, and was working a minimum wage job with no future. She was living with a "boy friend," who was verbally abusive, and she was becoming more and more afraid of him. Angel is black, and I'm white, but that never seemed to make any difference. It didn't take her long to start calling me dad. We did meet once. I took Angel and her daughter out to dinner. After dinner, gave each of them a hug and a kiss on the cheek.

    I did give Angel occasional advice, but more importantly, I gave her encouragement. I let her know that I believed in her, and she let me know that she felt that she never wanted to disappoint me. Angel now has her own apartment, a better job, and a new boyfriend. She has received her G.E.D., and is taking college classes at night. She still writes from time to time, to tell "Dad" how things are growing.

    Can anybody imagining encounters tile either of these happening on CC? I sure can't." I wonder if it might help if we had a link to an escort site : )

  • [Deleted User]SnugglesRus (deleted user)
    edited December 2022

    Interesting thoughts about CL
    Cuddles_ndream I agree with that.
    I joined as an enthusiast. I quickly realized there are lots looking for non platonic here and one way to communicate I only want platonic is go to a pro account.
    The other reason I switched is as much as I would enjoy cuddling those who asked, the ones following through, for the most part, were wanting me to travel and I don’t have the time to freely do that. I decided a pro account would give me flexibility to make sense of the more hours involved than I really needed.
    I consider myself an enthusiast who is also a solo mom in need of making the best use of my extra hours.
    I would be happy with 1 or 2 regulars but the guys I was hearing from were bouncing around to lots of people and that isn’t what I’d want as an enthusiast. With those things in mind, it just made sense to switch to a pro account 🤷‍♀️

  • I've appreciated reading all the comments here. It's been very frustrating for me because the females that would are either friends hundreds of miles away or scammers. And that's just the ones that I manage to get in contact with... in fact, the real friends I made in places that weren't about cuddling.

    I've tried different dating apps, I've tried this website and another one online, and it all does seem to come down to the ratio of guys to gals and also the different mentalities that they have. As a man I find it generally harder to be attached to any one person, whereas some of my female friends pride themselves on not talking to other guys while they're dating.

    Ultimately it seems the best thing to do is to get married. But that's my opinion as an inexperienced 20-y/o.

    Again, thank you for posting and sharing!

  • Thank you @SnugglesRus 🌌 by the way, I absolutely love your about me 📝 💙

  • I enjoy reading everyone's post. And @GreatHornedOwl thank you for sharing stories I found to be very toughing. I am so glad you could support the two ladies you mentioned.

  • There just hasn’t been any replacement for Craigslist if you just wanted to find a suburban mom to dress in a latex nurse outfit to chase you around the house on your hands and knees yelling “Bad piggie!” Those were the days before Big Brother shut it all down. But at least we still have cuddling :)

  • @dave31415 that got monetized too, smh

  • @FitSmartCuddler you're really cute. I think it is because of the small platform and the option to be pro. Most choose pro over non.

  • edited December 2022

    As far as finding enthusiasts, this site is a ghost town compared to before the pandemic. And even then, it wasn’t big. This site is niche. Craigslist was for everyone.

    If you create a marketplace to enable people to charge each other for something people also do for free, it’s going to feel like a marketplace. You don’t need to invoke shifts in society at large to explain that. I have nothing against professional cuddling; I’m friends with several professional cuddlers and have been a client of many. Each site puts a different frame on things. Are we meeting to cuddle? Or just meeting?

    I mourn the loss of CL personals, but it never led to much for me personally (despite posting and answering ads). I like the cuddle world, even if it’s small. I go to cuddle parties in my area and meet people IRL. I will host an official, facilitated Cuddle Party at my house in January, which is exciting.

    I expect to pay any woman I meet on here (due to the lack of non-pros now). I’m also on Seeking Arrangement. If there is a societal shift it’s that people have less money than they did 5-10 years ago (or the money doesn’t go as far)—especially women. No one can afford rent in my area anymore. I am very fortunate and privileged. So there is that aspect of things. But as I said earlier, the context determines whether that is brought into things. If I make a friend at an event, they are not going to charge me to hang out, of course.

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