So yeah, if you can't afford $102, then you can't really afford $100 either, and that was my point.
But you said you are talking about people who can’t afford it, and argue your point that if they do this ten times it mitigates the cost. If they can’t afford it they probably can’t do it ten times. But it is a nice bit of mathematical sophistry and acrobatics to try and prove yourself to me. I am flattered.
@TheFunCartel No, I didn't say anything about mitigating the cost. I just did the math. That is how you would calculate your expected cost over time. Doesn't matter how many sessions you schedule. One or a hundred. Your expected cost is $102 in that scenario, because it's unlikely that you're going to get scammed that very first time. And even if we go with that, it's $120 vs $100. And can you really say that someone who can't afford $120 can honestly afford $100? Now, who's really doing the acrobatics here eh? Yeah, thought so.
@jdev25 your argument about someone doing a deposit 10 times bases your entire argument on the supposition that someone whom you have judged not being able to afford it to book a pro 10 times. That is, by definition, mitigating the cost of a one time occurrence. If they only do it one time because they can’t afford it in your opinion it is still $20. They would have to do it another nine times to mitigate the cost of the deposit down to $2. Not likely because you are explaining your argument about people who can’t afford pros. It’s a weak argument based on what ifs. This is becoming more tedious by the post. 🙄
No, it's not a method of mitigation. That is just how you calculate expected cost. You're the only one speaking about mitigation. I just did an analysis. Nothing more.
If you're mitigating a cost, that means you're actively doing something to try and minimize or reduce the severity of your loss. That's completely different from what I was looking at. I was looking at what your expected cost would be when determining affordability. Completely different things.
If it's truly so tedious for you, then feel free to detach yourself from it. I'm going to sleep, so feel free to ramble further about whatever you like. I honestly will probably have forgotten about it by morning, and won't even circle back.
If you're mitigating a cost, that means you're actively doing something to try and minimize or reduce the severity of your loss.
In the context of this debate, it is mitigating their loss by extrapolating how much their expected loss will be per session if they actually continued to book. But your original post said they can’t afford it so you are trying to mitigate the impact of their one time loss by trying to say but if you did it ten times it would only be $2 a session you lost. That’s mitigation. It’s a common sales tactic. For example, if you state that something that costs $1,000 a year is less than $3 a day it is to reduce the harsh reality or severity of the $1,000. That is mitigating. That is my final word on the matter. You can disagree, but reducing the $20 to $2 over time is mitigating their loss. It is analysis as is any mathematical projection, but in this case it is a mitigation as well. Two things can be true.
@TheFunCartel Actually, yes - you did say that.
After that, if I see a deposit requirement, I move on because there is always an honest pro willing to operate ethically.
That implies that if someone has a deposit requirement, they do not operate ethically simply because they ask for a deposit. And we're dishonest, too apparently.
Dually noted.
@AngelNextDoor I am not going to argue with you. You have your interpretation. It won’t change my perspective and I do not believe that pros that ask for deposits are unethical. Just the ones that take off with the deposit and ghost. I am not going to get burned a third time so I choose not to book with a pro that asks for a deposit. I respect that you ask for a deposit, but please respect that I do not book with people that do. Am I missing out on a potentially wonderful experience? Possibly, but that is my choice.
I will admit that I worded it awkwardly in the original post, but I have clarified my meaning twice now.
Taking your words at face value isn't an interpretation, my love. If that's not what you intended to mean, then you should take that up with the way you wrote it. :P
How much you wanna bet this thread as well will be moved to The Lounge (aka The Psych Ward)?
then you should take that up with the way you wrote it.
I did if you read the entire post my dear.
Whatever you say, my love. It must be true. :PPPP
@disneysamurai posted: "How much you wanna bet this thread as well will be moved to The Lounge (aka The Psych Ward)?"
😅 An apt nickname.
If it is moved, it's a shame for the OP's when some people simply cannot stay on topic or out of petty arguments.
~ Sunset Snuggles
Ah nothing like shaming people who struggle with their mental health🤌
It's freakin 2026 and people are still making mental health a punchline or insult? I thought we dropped most of that during the pandemic shutdown.
Make fun of the Lounge all you want, but could y'all perhaps do so without punching down?
@LookNforcuddles, I’m very sorry that happened to you. I hope the mods investigate it and handle it appropriately. And I apologize your post got hijacked
My thoughts on deposits:
There’s nothing wrong with a pro requiring one. After enough last minute cancellations... or people scheduling a session when they only want to chat and never truly intended to meet ... A deposit can become a good form of protection.
I don’t always require a deposit, but I sometimes do when my intuition tells me it’s necessary or if someone has canceled in the past or I'm driving far to meet them for a cuddle. As a primer have that right. I've had several clients offer a deposit without me bringing it up or simply asking me where they can send payment and pay ahead of time ... And that's an amazing feeling of relief and something I don't have to worry about. But it's not the norm.
There’s also nothing wrong with a client refusing to pay one, or with someone advising them not to. As a deposit can help protect pros, declining to send money beforehand can be a way for clients to protect themselves. And as a client they have that right to refuse to schedule with someone who requires a deposit. It shouldn't make for an argument. If it was required by CC to give a deposit only then I can see the argument.
When two people have different comfort levels or beliefs about deposits, they just may not be a match ... Simple as that . Arguing over it says more about the people arguing than it does about deposits. Plus in this instance it only derails the original conversation.
Honestly 'tertiary' s a great if not oft used word. I am also a big fan of 'thrice'. Surprisingly 'quince' sounds like it could mean five times, it does not. Into dump over.
@VibeSeeker I prefer turdtiary whenever things go to s__t.
@AngelNextDoor
You wrote “ Taking your words at face value isn't an interpretation, my love. If that's not what you intended to mean, then you should take that up with the way you wrote it.”
So if I take your words at face value, I’d conclude that @TheFunCartel is your love. Am I following your point? Or have I misinterpreted your intended meaning?
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@MonkeyNeedsAHug Honestly it was something I heard Ian McKellen say a while back that moved me to start saying it. And now, it's a habit.
He mentioned that it always made him feel home to hear another grown man calling him "love." He said if we could all call each other - even strangers - "love," the world would be a better place. 💜
Here's a clip: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAw7SAVO8BU/?hl=en
Challenge it with your bank say it was fraud also to the fullest who blamed this guy shame on you. There are woman on here who have stolen before and given you a bad name. Instead of telling him to look at himself tell cuddler to actually be professional. If a cuddler gonna steal they might want to use craiglist or slip the games because that is the sign this sounds like.
Disagree with the thought of it you cannot do use this. This place is NOT for illegal activities. Often stealing a client deposit happen when someone providing either something illegal or has no intention of providing service not because the client did something. This does not sound like an issue the client broke boundaries in a session.
@AngelNextDoor I wish blocking someone meant not being able to see their replies in the forum. I’m sure you know who I’m talking about. The most abrasive person I’ve ever seen on here.
@MelNYC GIRL YES 😂 I have a feeling that particular feature would be VERY heavily utilized if they ever gave it to us. Unfortunately, I don’t think we’re allowed to vote anyone off the forum. 😇 Although the ceremony would be prime entertainment.