WARNING!!! May offend you:
Dealing with lockdowns, isolation, masks, pandemics... certainly better than what happens to some people.
Black lives matter.
@HoldenCaulfield #AllLivesMatter
Responding to black lives matter with all lives matter is like saying the fire department should spray all houses on the block when one of them is ON FIRE.
Black. Lives. Matter.
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What’s the point of this thread? Delete before it gets out of hand.
@oberon
Modern life is not the problem.
Many animals "conquer" : the weaker gender ( Praying Mantis ), other members of the same species ( cannibalism by rats and sharks ), and members of other species ( carnivores and herbivores ).
Pollinating insects, and animals which transport seeds by eating fruit ; can claim to have a clear conscience in their diet. But even they compete with others of the same or different species.
The problem of humanity is the exponential growth in numbers, which means any solution to having more people ( e.g. agriculture ) quickly becomes obsolete. Scarcity of resources, whether it be land, or sunshine, or food ; is what drives conflict. We talk about the R value of Covid-19 being the scary indicator of the growth of the global pandemic ; but the R value of humanity, is the measure of the growth of population. Democracy and family care, make it in everyone's individual interest to have as many offspring as possible, which is bad collectively.
As for the OP's point.
If we want equality quickly, we need to recognise the inequality and make greater efforts for those in the unequal group ; positive bias. However, looting and destruction by a part of society which feels itself oppressed, is not the solution to inequality, that simply reinforces the stereotype.
The latest news is that one of the white policemen involved, has been charged with murder of a black citizen, based on bodycam footage. That doesn't sound like a society which treats one part less well than another, it sounds like a society identifying an individual who was breaking the rules.
@geoff1000 thats sounds reasonable if you can identify the weakness of black or brown people. But if you do identify one, I’ll challenge you not to also see how that “weakness” is perpetuated by the majority class. Also within that class you’ll see levels of the same discrimination.
Also, if you only see one man killing another man without observing the consent and tolerance given to that man from the state and ruling majority your ignoring a lot.
@sasquatch231 im not sure what you are trying to get across, but at some point it got mixed up with the videos
@LucidDreams84 i believe the point was to discuss the human condition. Any one getting out of hand would be complicit to the outrage.
@davebutton ~ Thanks for trying. It was appreciated. Imajen
@sasquatch231 if all lives matter then why the push back on the black ones
@davebutton it is clearly a privilege not to feel the need to speak out or protest a position a person doesn’t need to deal with. I don’t protest masks, because i agree with them. I’m not protesting strongly about police brutality because clearly it hasn’t touched me close enough. Don’t get me wrong i am enraged and ready.
@davebutton @ImajenMoon is correct. Thanks for the support, clearly you see a problem with humans treatment of humans
@BashfulLoner With the 3rd video. Not all black people like the #BlackLivesMatter movement. If people want change and equality. They can't be looting, breaking things, flipping cars, and setting stuff on fire. You have the right to protest but don't have the right to put other innocent people's life at risk. That had nothing to do with it and don't agree with what happened. What did they deserve to get that? Those police were in the wrong with what the did. But it doesn't mean that all police are guilty of that. Their are bad people and their are good people. We have to educate and weed out the bad. So that this won't happen again. Sadly it probably would happen again. #AllLivesMatter
@oberon I wish posts had a like button...
@LucidDreams84 The point is the contrast between isolation and lack of touch in a pandemic lockdown, and being physically abused by authorities we're supposed to trust to the point of losing all physical sense and ability.
I thought the post might be removed for being too political or inflammatory, but I'm glad it wasn't, based on the responses here. I'm constantly pleased at the intelligence and care shown by many posters here in this forum compared to most of the nonsense I see in typical public forums. Thanks to you.
Sometimes you have to take a step out and appreciate things that AREN'T happening to you, as much as you would things that are, to stop feeling so bad about what you're missing.
10 bad cops + 1000 good cops that don't stop them = 1010 bad cops
Riots will stop when the police stop murdering unarmed black people.
@oberon Indeed. "For evil to triumph, it is necessary only for good men to do nothing".
Bodycam footage, and more people having mobile phones with video, is meaning more people get called to account for their actions. Video has stepped in, where conscience wasn't effective.
@sasquatch231 Quite right. Looting isn't a protest, it is theft when the law is too busy elsewhere.
The data suggests that "non-white" ( for want of a better term ) people suffer worse from Covid-19, even when every other factor is taken into account. That might be because white people have a better immune system, perhaps as a trade-off against being physically less capable ( the blood is a mix of usefulness ). If that's true, it means that the lockdown which is having a similar adverse effect on all ethnic groups, is having a specifically beneficial effect on the non-white minority. Positive discrimination to a minority, doesn't get much stronger, than closing down a country to save disproportionaely more of their lives.
Anyone who wants to damage a portion of society during a pandemic, could easily do so, by arranging for them to gather and mix in huge crowds ; whether it be in a sports event audience, or a riot.
This is indeed hard stuff: so many different ways to and levels on which to look at it.
Resources: distribution and utilization and optimization in the context of increased population growth and attending needs.
Public policy and institutional protocols and procedures from one jurisdiction to another: policing, accountability, prosecution of crimes committed by those sworn to protect, leadership and public perception.
A confluence of so many different life changing events and circumstances all coming together at the same time: a global pandemic, massive economic shut and slow down, resulting increased anxiety and agitation and litigation, social distancing and isolation practices and constant conflicting messages from leadership in the political and medical sphere. Never ending debates about what constitutes and is good for the greater good and who has the authority to make such decisions.
And there are no clear answers as there are no clear solutions. The challenges are so deep rooted and complex.
History teaches us that meaningful change sometimes comes with a strategic and or spontaneous combination of violence, peaceful protest, unexpected events, prolonged suffering, long painful negotiations between powerful forces with solid inked pens and deep pockets and a community that is deeply engaged and invested.
I'm not suggesting violence is ever a healthy response to nor justification of anything or situation. It is not. At least not if you're not at war. During periods of war and planned conflict violence is often used strategically. That's not my point. I'm just saying it is sadly part of what we have come to witness and experience in the struggle for equality and justice for minority groups.
The following in recent history comes to mind: the long journey to dismantle apartheid in South Africa, the long legal battle up to the 1980s in many states to end racial segregation in schools and other areas of life, the constant ongoing public debate regarding how to appropriately hold police officers accountable for their actions as they wear the badge. In many jurisdictions it's very difficult to terminate police officers from their job and even more challenging to legally charge them after they have been accused of commiting murder. The Freddy Gray case in Baltimore comes to mind.
There's been decades old debate on how to properly address disciplining and holding police officers accountable for their actions. As well as properly educating them on how to handle difficult situations, stress and so on. A number of police precincts across the country have made progress in that regard. Many more haven't. At least in addressing the ongoing situation as a huge barrier to effective community policing.
It's very frustrating and for many agitating to see the at times senseless killing of unarmed black men at the hands of those sworn to protect.
These are no ordinary times. Very hard stuff to swallow and digest.
Hard old stuff.
@oberon I think that you are wrong on that analogy. It's like saying all Muslims are terrorists. Which most of them are not. Saying all Mexicans/Hispanics are in a cartel. Which most of them are not. Or all Germans were Nazi's. Which most of them were not. You can't generalize a group, culture, religion, or organization is all bad. Yes their are some very bad people in every group. You just can't generalize that everyone is bad/evil. Evil is out their and we have to fight it to make this a better world. I can say that your a White Supremacist on how you look. Most likely you are not part of any hate group. So you can't say, "10 bad cops + 1000 good cops that don't stop them = 1010 bad cops"
It's different when it's a chosen job, i don't think most Muslims will tell you they chose to be a Muslim as an adult
There are some jobs that we can not and should not tolerate any any any bad people doing. Cops doctors pilots firefighters, people put in power over our safety and our lives. They need to be actively sought out and removed from the profession.
@oberon Ok. They are born into the religion and a lot don't leave it. People can be good in the beginning and do good for awhile. Then something happens to them mentally and break. Then they could start do bad things. It's really hard to tell from good and bad. But sometimes you can spot it.
Why does everyone immediately assume it’s Blacks looting and rioting when it’s clearly been shown that most of that is being done by white people. There’s literally dozens of videos of Blacks stopping whites from destroying property and LOL at “ Alllivesmatter”. Rolling my eyes.
If the main issue is individual police brutality of identifiable minorities ( Blacks in USA, indigenous people in Australia etc. ), the most effective solution for members of those groups and those who support them, is presumably to join the police force.
I imagine that policing is rather like nursing, teaching, or working in a care home ; you have to enjoy the day-to-day activity, to make up for the poor conditions, high risk, and low pay. If people who could do the job well, don't want to become police officers ; their ranks will have more people who are either incapable, or choose to join the force for bad reasons.
Instead of campaigning for the police force to be de-funded, they should surely be campaigning for it to be better funded.
Minneapolis city council promises to abolish the police. Have a “police free future.” I don’t see how this is possible, but let them try. Let them be the Guinea pig in this Ridiculous experiment.
The only way to prevent crime, is to legalise everything.
@Kense "LOL at “ Alllivesmatter”. Rolling my eyes." I'm not looting. So, the color of my skin shouldn't matter? My life is just as important as any other colored person. It shouldn't matter what color, creed, sex, religion, orientation, gender, or origin! I don't care what YOU are. As long as we have respect for one another and give respect to people that deserve it. It shouldn't matter what the color of our skin is. But apparently it does to some people. #AllLivesMatter
@sasquatch231 I’ll repeat what @oberon said because he said it perfectly.
“ Responding to black lives matter with all lives matter is like saying the fire department should spray all houses on the block when one of them is ON FIRE.
Black. Lives. Matter.”
This movement isn’t saying black lives are the ONLY ones that matter, it’s just right now their race is more on fire at the moment. Nothing wrong with wanting respect and equality but you have to also respect when this movement began, it’s because they are getting treated so much worse and are the ones who need help. Everyone matters but by saying “all lives matter” it’s like you don’t care to recognize what they are going through. It’s very disrespectful and quite the opposite of what you want society to achieve. Read the quote again and understand you matter as well but your house isn’t on fire.
