CONSENT, CONSENT, CONSENT! (w/article link)

edited June 2022 in General

First of all I want to thank all of the people I have met here that know what consent means. However, there are some idiots that haven't figured this out yet, you should read below and then delete your page and leave us decent human beings alone.
I only copied what this link says about consent and it should not have to be something that I should have to bring up on a platonic cuddle site.

https://www.healthline.com/health/guide-to-consent#asking-for-consent

What is consent?
Consent is a voluntary, enthusiastic, and clear agreement between the participants to engage in specific physical activity. Period.

There is no room for different views on what consent is. People incapacitated by drugs or alcohol cannot consent.

If clear, voluntary, coherent, and ongoing consent is not given by all participants, it’s sexual assault. There’s no room for ambiguity or assumptions when it comes to consent, and there aren’t different rules for people who’ve hooked up before.

Nonconsensual and unwelcomed touch is assault.

Consent is:
Clear

Consent is clear and unambiguous. Is your partner enthusiastically engaging in physical activity? Have they given verbal permission for each physical touch/activity? Then you have clear consent.

Silence is not consent. Never assume you have consent — you should clarify by asking.

Ongoing

You should have permission for every activity at every stage of a physical encounter. It’s also important to note that consent can be removed at any time — after all, people do change their minds!

Coherent

Every participant in physical activity must be capable of granting their consent. If someone is too intoxicated or incapacitated by alcohol or drugs, or is either not awake or fully awake, they’re incapable of giving consent.

Failure to recognize that the other person was too impaired to consent is not “drunk consent.” It’s sexual assault.

Voluntary

Consent should be given freely and willingly. Repeatedly asking someone to engage in a physical act until they eventually say yes is not consent, it’s coercion.

Consent is required for everyone, including people who are in a committed relationship or married or who are being paid for physical services. No one is obliged to do anything they don’t want to do, and being in a relationship, or being handsome, or friends doesn’t obligate a person to engage in any type of physical activity with you.

When and how to ask for consent
It’s crucial to ask for consent before engaging in physical activity. Talking openly about what you both want and setting boundaries is important in any relationship, regardless of whether it’s casual or long term.

In a healthy physical encounter, both parties should feel comfortable communicating their needs without feeling fearful. If you’re initiating touch, and you become angry, frustrated, or insistent when your partner declines any physical activity, this is not okay.

Sexual or nonsexual activity that occurs because of fear, guilt, or pressure is coercion — and it’s a form of sexual assault. If you’re engaging in physical activity and the person declines to go further or seems hesitant, stop for a moment and ask them if they’re comfortable doing that activity or if they want to take a break.

Let them know you don’t want to do anything they don’t feel 100 percent comfortable with, and that there’s no harm in waiting and doing something else.

In any physical encounter, it’s the responsibility of the person initiating the activity to ensure that the other person feels comfortable and safe.

You might worry that asking for consent is going to be a total mood killer, but the alternative — not asking for consent and potentially assaulting someone — is unacceptable.

Consent is necessary and serious, but it doesn’t mean having to sit down for a clinical discussion or signing forms! There are ways to ask for consent that aren’t a total buzzkill.

Besides, if you’re comfortable enough to want to get closer and cuddle, then talking openly about what you both want and need is perfectly fine, and sexy!

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  • @cuddle4health thank you for sharing, yes in deed there are people who don’t get this!
    This deserves to be one of the ‘stickied’ threads

  • Do you understand this is a platonic site? Your post is nonsensical. Sincerely wanting to understand.

  • This description is absolutely excellent. Thank you so much for sharing.

    It was also a very distressing read, and clarified something in my past, for me. deep breath

    ~ Sunset Snuggles

  • Nuff said! 👍🏼💪🏼

  • [Deleted User]WriterGF (deleted user)

    This shouldn't even be coming up. They have no business doing anything sexual, with or without consent, during what is supposed to be a platonic activity. And if they are doing something without your consent, it's sexual assault, plain and simple.

  • I reread this til it sunk in. I understand now, I think, that this is rules and laws for life in general, and not how to acquire consensual sexual activity here. It is very sobering to know how much this post is apparently needed.

  • @achetocuddle The word "sex" jarred me first, too, as I expected this to be about platonic touch consent. But my guess is that sexual assault occurred, hence the need for this.

    ~ Sunset Snuggles

  • In the 3 years I have been on this site, and all of the people I've met, this is the second time I felt we needed to post about consent. Yes this site is platonic. But cuddling is intimate and usually in private. Both parties involved in cuddling should know about consent because there needs to be consent for everything done between two people and their bodies/with their bodies.

  • It sounded as if she were giving a primer/instructions for how to acquire consensual sex here that would be agreeable to everyone here. I understand now she is trying to give clear general instructions not pertaining to the purpose of this site about how to act right in general and trying to make the instructions accessible and understandable for the lowest common denominator. And I feel for her. She has been treated poorly to say the very least.

  • [Deleted User]Btown (deleted user)

    You can never have too many reminders regarding consent. Thank you @cuddle4health health

  • Thanks @Btown
    @achetocuddle I edited the post for you.

  • May I take the liberty to modify your definition of consent a bit?

    Consent is a voluntary, enthusiastic, and clear agreement between the participants to engage in specific sexual activity. Period.

  • @CuddlesByDeep thanks, I think we were editing at the same time... as I had mentioned, I had originally only copied from the link about consent.

  • edited June 2022

    😰 Also, “maybe” means “no”.

  • edited June 2022

    I'm locking this for now. Consent is an important topic. Sexual activity, however phrased, is not a sanctioned topic.

    TBD on status for now. (Friday evening, 06/10/22)

    I've let this simmer for the past 12+ hours and I'm unlocking this thread. This thread was reported, @cuddleforhealth - prior to your various edits, which is why I locked it. Your edits are helpful, as the original post was a full-on OH HELL NO.

    @CuddlesByDeep suggests a more concise meaning, and I agree:

    Consent is a voluntary, enthusiastic, and clear agreement between the participants to engage in specific activity. Period.

    Carry on.

    Unlocking thread. (Saturday morning, 06/11/22)

  • Bumpity bump.

  • @Sideon many thanks! I was mulling over pointers to convince you to open it again. Nevertheless, even if it is locked again I do feel that the kind of information this thread provides it deserves be among the top things to read for new people joining this community and others. After all, consent is a cornerstone and if followed by a larger fraction of people the complaints and problems will be lesser accordingly, and to achieve the latter the best we can do is to give easy access to details about consent.

  • I'm going to disagree with and amplify one small point of discussion. Consent CAN be non-verbal (just as some contracts can be unwritten and non-verbal). But such non-verbal consent must be more active and obvious than verbal consent. Example: I have my hand on my dance partners waist. She takes a hold of my arm and places my hand lower onto her hip. She has given consent for my hand to be there without saying a word. By leaving my hand there, I am consenting to this as well - if I was somehow uncomfortable with it, I could just move my hand back where it started without saying a word.

    With all that said, verbal consent in cuddling is more certain most of the time. Only reason I piped up is that I dislike blanket 'this is ALWAYS how it must be' type statements when they aren't true. And I'm not disagreeing with the main point of the OP at all.

  • @Jubal "Is your partner enthusiastically engaging in physical activity?"
    I think this piece of it applies to what you are saying... and I don't disagree with you.

  • THANK YOU SO MUCH @HUGGGGGG
    I was trying to keep calm because I do believe that we need consent when we are in eachothers arms and trusting ourselves and cuddle partners in intimate settings in intimate cuddling. I just got home last night and I was thinking, airport security let's me know they are going to "pat down" my sides. My doctor let's me know now, "I will do this and you will feel this, is that ok? Are you ready?", ect. Physical encounters. Consent.

  • **Sexual or nonsexual activity that occurs because of fear, guilt, or pressure is coercion — and it’s a form of sexual assault. **

  • edited June 2022

    I am very easy going, not uptight, but do communicate my boundaries, and I specifically said hey this is not going further, I didn't scream or get mean, I nicely, even with a smile said, whoa hold on there, but he kept insisting I guess and when I'd relax again he would try again to push my boundaries, all the way, ignoring me, because I was saying hey what are you doing? you said that if I allowed this position you wouldn't do that, but he kept just looking at my body language and ignoring my words. I said this is getting a little heated, even if I am turned on I don't do more than this, I compose myself, do you usually do this on cuddles? No he said, which I think is a big lie. I guess I just feel in the moment with you, he said. I said yea it feels good to enjoy touch, it can be exciting but its just about the cuddling, not more. I said hey you are doing that again you need to stop. Our hour is up, but as I am talking his body is on mine and he's ignoring me again and then I say for real stop this feels like high school, I chuckle. I am trying to keep things light hearted. I nicely chat with him as he prepares to leave. He leaves... I start to think over what just happened and I start to realize there was a lot of ignoring my words because my body language didn't match. I blame myself there, I'm such a customer service oriented person, and stupid idk.
    However, I have had a lot of cuddles and yes we do laugh it off a little when we get close to a boundary because it's so enticing sometimes, we voice how it feels, what it reminds us of, being a teenager, or being in a relationship ect, and we continue communicating boundaries, and I say hey let me know if you feel uncomfortable at any moment and they ask me hey is it ok if I touch here, is this still ok, I get thank yous for how relaxed I am, I wear dresses sometimes because I am most comfortable in a long or midlength dress, and I am usually always respected, I am usuallyalways treated like a human being, they are grateful for my service, I am grateful for the time with them. If I feel comfortable with a certain position or touch we voice it and remind of the boundaries for that too. When I get requests for more, I kindly decline, they kindly accept and it's fine, they will test the boundary but respect when I again say no, and I say it in a friendly and understanding way because I know it can be hard to be so close and want more. But this guy the other night, he was ignoring my words, as Iwas saying no, he was still touching inappropriately, as I was moving him away, he would try again. He was trying over and over and forcefully crossing boundaries, I kept moving him away and he would move back. It was late. I was tired. I was trying to enjoy the moment of the touch that I was comfortable with. I was trusting him. He was very handsome, smelled good, but I wish I had never met him because he made me feel pretty worthless by ignoring my words. I guess I should be on alert at all times and ready to fight if someone is trying to cross boundaries.
    He texted asking if I wanted Karma.

  • edited June 2022

    @cuddle4health sure, thanks again for the thread.

    @Jubal I used to regularly dance salsa for over 8 years before Covid hit, so I know what you mean. Nevertheless, an active level of consent or a boundary is set during dancing. In fact it is easier to just hold someone’s wandering hand with loud music and just bring it to the ‘allowed’ spot while when cuddling (I’ve been into cuddling for over two decades) it is better to get a verbal consent especially if it is first time cuddle to find out the comfort level of your partner (this is perhaps a personal best practice, no way a rule for everyone). Further, a dance ends with a song (within a few minutes) and follows a pattern, while cuddling has its own dynamics … an also that some girls convince themselves to cuddle because of some money it brings, so with all the complications and complex emotions on both sides - verbal consent seems like a better way for me. …. Hahahahh and I’m sure you may have felt when a 3 min song seems to last an eternity when you are unhappy with your partner as opposed to when you enjoy it with someone…

  • Denying consent and it being understood by the other party works best if the one denying consent is self-aware and has no personal problems with giving a clear no. Before even getting involved in cuddling an individual should examine and know themselves and be prepared to state clearly and unambiguously what their personal boundaries are beyond TOS rules, if they have any. Saying no, stop or I am denying consent one time should be enough. If it is not, leave.

  • @achetocuddle That's what is so scary about the Freeze effect...when people don't go into Fight or Flight mode, but Freeze instead, unable to say no. This is why the "ongoing" and "enthusiastic" parts of consent are so important.

    (I haven't experienced the Freeze response, just think it's interesting to note.)

    ~ Sunset Snuggles

  • Of course ongoing consent is important. That's elementary. But if consent is denied and the other party ignores or refuses to listen to the denial, you may leave. You don't have to say no twice. You don't owe them an explanation for your denial. You don't owe them anything.

  • @achetocuddle Totally agree.

    ~ Sunset Snuggles

  • @cuddle4health this behavior is totally unacceptable and I hope you reported him.

  • edited June 2022

    He blocked me so I don't think I can. And the only proof I have are those messages. At least by posting this thread he can read about consent and know that he made me feel worthless. I'm very angry that he ignored my words. I think that because he is young and handsome he thinks girls would want to do more, maybe sometimes they do, but I didn't want to do more and I said so.

    Yes, @cuddle4health - you can still report him, whether he has blocked you or not. There is an option to report any profile, whether one is blocked or not. Another option is that you can submit his username to any of the mods here. [-Sid]

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