For which one @Cuddle_RN , the fda being sued to release the information or the head of largest pharmaceutical company in Spain being cought with a fake covid vaccine card , or both?
@ubergigglefritz You are not an epidemiologist nor a research scientist so regardless of how many degrees you have in math you are not those. You opened the door. A reductio ad absurdum fallacy would be true if you were actually stating an apples to apples comparison but you were not. I think your one point you had was damaged by @GreatHornedOwl ‘s point that if you are familiar with statistics as you say you are, the statistics do not support your argument. The CDC has a page on reported adverse reactions and the outcomes of the investigations into them. The number of genuine adverse reactions are minuscule and microscopic. To say you have a degree in math and have actuarial certifications is not the same as front line researchers that are degreed up to their necks in their field. My dad has a PhD in math and would take the vaccine in a heartbeat. What does that prove? Nothing. So education that is irrelevant to microbiology and genetics really is off base.
With that said, I do not wish to engage further although I know you will as you always do. I don’t mind that you doubt the vaccine, but I found it disingenuous to state your credentials that are far afield from genetic microbiology and epidemiology and say you have knowledge of those fields.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/11/19/fda-2076-vaccine-data/
So a half truth stretched into a lie. They did state that redaction would take awhile.
My comment here reflects that of the snopes link … I said (just like it says there) that releasing 500 pages a month would take 55 to 75 years , I never sad the fda requested to release the documents in 2076 (and yes I seen those rumors too)
Their point is the FDA never refused to release the information as many asserted in various news stories. They were sued to release all of it in 108 days…which is absurd to expect any agency to redact detailed information in 329,000 pages in that amount of time. My only beef with how it was handled is they should be aware that this was an emergency vaccine and typical procedures should not apply.108 days is ridiculous but so is 75 years. Compromise should have been the word of the day on the release of information rather than legal action.
Once more for the folks at the back:
How you, as in individual, define "safe" and choose to move forward is up to you. Given the re-emergence of Polio in the UK, Covid-19 is going to be the gift that keeps on giving in it's current and mutated forms for a long time.
I'm pretty close to locking up this thread.
@sideon Yes but I want better names for the virus going forward. Can we give the newer strains colorful names like in Reservoir Dogs?
Mr Pink has me breathing hard. Mr Black has me coughing up a lung. Something like that.
@FunCartel - or Band or Song names
EveryBreathYouTake LungsOnFire WheezingGutsOut SandInTheVaseline
etc.
Only continue communication to defend myself, @FunCartel . I never said my knowledge was in those areas, nor did I claim to have equal knowledge to any of what you listed. However you defend it, reductio ad absurdum is still a fallacy.
@ubergigglefritz I enjoy your posts and agree with your opinions.
@cuddles_ndream Is it possible that assumed that the process of reviewing documents for edit patent & patent pending information. The fact that editing patent & patent pending information, as well as other proprietary information, is a standard part of the process of releasing information.
I spent 11 years as the Director of Quality Assurance and Regulatory Affairs for a manufacturer of Class II (high risk) medical devices. As such, I interacted with the FDA on a regular basis. Take my word for it, sometimes, it seemed to take forever to get that type of information from them.
@Sideon yes you are on the right track. Much better than Variant3.subvariant262.23
@GreatHornedOwl agree with you & I take your word that when dealing with the FDA it sometimes seemed to take forever to get information from them … but, when mandates are put in place, & peoples livelihood are on the line, exceptions need to be considered & made for public trust …. I believe they said it took them 108 days to review over 300,000 documents, it is only right that they have no more than an additional 108 days to make them available. If mandates weren’t in place I personally wouldn’t mind if they took up to 75 years to release it, or never released it for that matter.
@ubergigglefritz Ok, ok you took Philosophy 101 as did 98% of people who muddled through college. But when you hold up your credentials as justifying your opinion when it is irrelevant to those you question then you are attempting to elevate yourself without cause. This in itself is a fallacy. An itinerant worker with no education could hold the same opinion about vaccines. I never said you were trying to be the expert, it is just that your educational credentials are totally irrelevant to having that opinion and looks more like an appeal to authority that is not required.
A fallacy would involve an argument. I was exaggerating a ludicrous piece of information that you embedded in your opinion so I made fun of it because there is so much misinformation about the vaccines and people are saying so and so said that and they are a doctor. Then, if you have a brain you investigate and find out they are a chiropractor with no knowledge about epidemiology. So when I see people throw up their BS degree and raise an MS degree it is a red flag that actually in this day and age detracts from their opinion. It telegraphs that their opinion is either not strong enough to stand on its own merit the person feels insecure about their opinion. An opinion on this matter does not need credentials unless they bring some extremely technical aspects to bear. But to say you are defending yourself is false. I never attacked you or your opinion. Only the superfluous use of credentials to prop up your opinion. I never said you were uneducated or dumb or anything of that nature. That is you thinking that.
@FunCartel What does philosophy have to do with anything? You are not making any sense and you continue to put words in my mouth. Please leave me alone, consider the block returned, and just ignore me as I try to do you out of respect of your block, at least I try until you address me directly. 😇 Many thanks. 😁💜
What does philosophy have to do with anything?
You quoted a fallacy and you learn that in basic philosophy classes. You also learn it in critical writing classes. But there has to be an argument for there to be a fallacy. That’s also from philosophy. I hope you are unconfused now.
@ubergigglefritz and @FunCartel - agree to disagree and leave it at a mutual gag order from here on out. Thanks.
Put me on timeout then. Dude continues to attack me and my integrity and I am merely defending myself. It's logic and critical thinking. Skills for the LSATs. I didn't learn it in philosophy 101.
@ubergigglefritz - I'm not babysitting you two. Mutual gag order. Short of locking this thread, I suggest you two walk away from this one. Thanks.
@Sideon I do apologize for my contribution. I tried to end it with mutual respect best I could.
I'm not disagreeing with either @ubergigglefritz or @FunCartel (reductio ad absurdum) that @ubergigglefritz mentioned is neither the most common nor the most pernicious logical fallacy associated with this subject. That honor is reserved for post hoc ergo sum (after this, therefore because of this). I got a Covid vaccine yesterday. Today, I came down with flue like symptoms. Obviously, the vaccine caused my symptom. Never bother to ask how many people came down with flue like symptoms today , but didn't get a vaccination yesterday.
@GreatHornedOwl Bingo! That is the most egregious offender on this topic. The greatest cause of people claiming adverse reactions. But rarely is the curiosity followed up with research or a deep dive.
I don't wish to get into overly deep discussions that require me to look up more than one word. Life is too short, especially mine, Lol, I don't have the energy, and I don't see that getting me closer to a cuddle. The covid vaccine made me a little ill, also, oops, wait a minute. I had illness symptoms and did not feel well after I had one of the covid vaccines. The other times I remembered to take 600 mg of ibuprofen upon awakening and before I went to the vaccine appt. per my primary doc's instructions (and continued taking ibuprofen til bedtime). I feel bad for all the people who were not told to do that before their vaccine. Just unnecessary suffering.
I agree that many people associate minor illness after a vaccine as indicating a vaccine is bad. This has been an occurrence for ages, LONG before covid vaccines. It is nothing new. I don't know why we have to continue this conversation. Can we get back to talking about cuddling? This subject gets me all riled up because I am an advocate for people who are ignored, it is why I am here, why I do what I do, and my friends, people I know, are ignored by the medical community because of political agenda (and I'm not talking about brief flu like symptoms). It pisses me off, and it angers me that so many people advocate silencing the minority just because the averages aren't with them. There, that's my honesty. I hate this.
Frankly, this is a cuddling website. The point of it is not to allow stories about how bad vaccines are—especially when the vaccine in question has been and is still being attacked by people who don't value truth and would rather everyone got sick.
It sucks for anyone who has legitimately been hurt by the vaccine, but... it's not like a cuddling website can verify anything. Better to err on the side of keeping liars quiet.
I actually got covid for the first time about a month ago (covid free now). Didn't really seem concerned when an employee came up to me on a Friday and said he was getting tested for covid and wanted time off. He got sent home for not feeling well and his test came back positive despite being vaccinated. Then after that weekend my symptoms showed up. So had a fever for about a day or two and scheduled my covid test. I was all healed like day 3 but at the end of the week my test was positive even when I had no more symptoms on my test day. So point is whether or not you are vaccinated it is up to you to be as safe as you want to be. Do I plan to be even more cautious now? No. I am a healthy individual so I am not worried even if I get covid again one day. If you are like my sister-in-law or my mom who have diabetes and other health issues then I'd recommend to be more cautious. Choice will always be yours on your health and those you choose to be around. But in general stay safe and keep yourself healthy.
@DaringSprinter I see that as a recurring theme, that vaccines get attacked & that people would rather for everyone to get sick …. Its really the other way around, I will use me for example … I did not want the vaccine, I was forced to get it if I wanted to keep my job, since day 1 I have supported everyone’s decision to get it if they want to, I never wanted it & got attacked for voicing that I did not want it, but to this day I still support people who want it to go for it… I don’t understand why I’m being vilified if congress was not mandated or at risk of losing office if they didn’t get it, & athletes have been given a pass in my city not to get it.
I did not get the impression that ubergigglefritz was against the vaccine. Maybe I am missing a nuance. I thought she just wondered why the severe side effects don't seem to be getting much attention, research or something along those lines. She strikes me as someone who cares about humanity. Not that it matters what I think.
This is, I guess, off-topic, I don't mean to be a bother, but I feel fortunate all the time that a forum exists here where we are allowed to talk about so many things besides cuddling. I don't take it for granted and I would imagine lots of members feel the same. Thanks CuddleComfort. You have provided me comfort and other things.
@cuddles_ndream: Could be other people don't like being put at risk. Get vaccinated, you're less likely to make other people sick. Unvaccinated? You could well be a plague rat.
@achetocuddle: I didn't get the impression ubergigglefritz was opposed to the Covid vaccine, either.
The trouble is that there are those who are the type I described earlier, and those people are willing to tell lies about the vaccine and what it does—and those people vastly outnumber the small percentage of people with extreme reactions.
Let someone talk about how bad the Covid vaccine was for them and, unfortunately, odds are they'll be lying.
It was already determined earlier that vaccines does not prevent you from getting covid, also … why was congress & certain athletes allowed to be, (by your definition) a plague rat?.