For All of You Introverts, Let Me Tell You a Story

edited July 2022 in General

@SunsetSnuggles Your recent discussion "So I started cuddling" has prompted me to start one that some people here might become helpful.

As a kid growing up, I was extremely introverted. I had a few friends, but mostly other introverts. I had serious difficulty speaking in a group of more than four or five people. When I grew old enough to develop an interest in girls, I found it virtually impossible to talk to any girl who I might actually be interested in. In short, I was miserable.

One day during the summer between my sophomore and junior years in high school, everything changed. I had been in the park playing tennis. It was near the end of August, a very hot day, and after a few matches, I was dripping with sweat. To cool off, I took a walk over to the beach to take a swim. It was very refreshing, and on the way back to the tennis courts, I spotted Suzanne, all alone, laying on a beach towel.

I had had a crush on Suzanne for the last eight months or so. We we had some friends in common, so we knew each other, but had never exchanged more than a few words at a time. I can remember how I would dearly love to sit down and talk to her, but deep down, I knew that I wouldn't. I would just walk back up to the tennis courts, where I would be within my comfort level.

As I stood there debating with myself. I wondered "What would Fred do? Fred was a guy in my class, who was the ultimate extrovert. Fred was the class president. Fred wasn't especially handsome, but there always girls hanging around with him, joking and flirting. After I decided what Fred would do, an idea struck me. I was going to pretend (in my mind) that I was Fred.

I walked over to her and said "Hi Suzanne," and she replied. I spread my towel in the sand beside hers, lay down and starting chatting like I had never been able to do before. It was easy. It wasn't really me doing that. It was Fred. After a little while, it occurred to me that Fred wouldn't just lay there, so I put my arm over her. I was almost surprised that I didn't get slapped, or even hollered at. She actually seemed to like it. After about an twenty minutes, she asked to spread some more sun tan lotion on her back. That was absolute astonishing. I actually got to touch her.

About two weeks later, summer vacation had ended. I was in the school lunch room when one of Suzanne's friends came and sat down at the table where I was eating. She mentioned that Suzanne had told her all about our meeting at the beach, and that Suzanne would really like me to ask her out. I suspect that she new that I needed a little nudge. For the record, we dated pretty steadily for the next six years, until she moved across the country to take a job.

Now that could be the end of the story, but it isn't. I hadn't really changed all of a sudden. Things like that just don't happen. I was still every bit as introverted as I had ever been. The difference was that I no longer had to behave like an introvert. I had found a work around that permitted me to behave like a normal person. I began using the technique more and more often. In any social situation where I would expect to be uncomfortable, I just had to think of somebody who would be comfortable there. Eventually, the behavior became almost automatic. I couldn't begin to tell you how many job interviews it got me through.

Today, I am still just as introverted as ever. The only difference, is that I've learned how to pretend that I'm an extrovert. Hopefully, this might help a few of the other introverts here. Give it a try. It isn't difficult, and it really works.

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  • This was really inspiring. Thank you.

  • It's an excellent trick, it really works. I used it myself a few times in the past.

    To take it even further, you don't just have to be Fred. Sometimes you could be Ginger, or Algy, or whoever is appropriate to the situation.

  • That' true. I thought that I explained that. However, I not sure that I could ever convince myself that I'm Ginger.

  • [Deleted User]Moxytocin (deleted user)

    @GreatHornedOwl As an introvert myself, I've pretended to be extroverted too. I LOVED this story. Thank you!

  • I've never thought of this trick! I will have to give it a shot.

    I think the difference for me would be in having witnessed enough normal interactions to know and remember what someone might say or ask. My late childhood and all of my teens were severely isolated, so even some "obvious" responses like knowing when someone asks if you have weekend plans, they really want you to ask the question back to them so they can tell you their exciting plans, just don't always occur to me. Same with the kind of questions that keep a conversation flowing...you have to be exposed to good conversation skills, to retain them and therefore pretend to use them like another person would. I barely had any one on one conversations in person before my 20's, so I didn't have the exposure to what that could even look like, to be able to fake it.

    ~ Sunset Snuggles

  • @GreatHornedOwl you did, but I kinda missed it on first reading. Apologies.

    People I have imagined myself to be include the Queen Mum, James Bond and my Primary 1 schoolteacher.

    @SunsetSnuggles that's ..... heartbreaking. Or rather it would be except the story has a happy ending.

  • @CuddleDuncan That is sweet, thank you. Feel free to ask me more, sometime. But be ye warned...I may pretend to be a gangster and rap my responses to you...or maybe pretend to be a kid, and say everything in Pig Latin. Ouyay ownday? 😄

    ~ Sunset Snuggles

  • [Deleted User]KYtransplant (deleted user)

    Total introvert here. I tend to do much better in written word. It's easier to type or write what I feel or want to convey.

    I am not comfortable speaking up in large settings or crowds. I will usually always sit back and listen and watch others.

    BUT the only exception to this is something I am very passionate and knowledgeable about. You can simply not shut me up then.

    Especially if who I am talking to either wants to learn/exchange ideas, add to each other's base of knowledge or interests.

    The other is, and I don't show this side often, if someone Is intentionally ignorant, wilfully spreading misinformation and inaccuracies I will speak up and can shred every inaccurate idea or belief with facts. And I can back up every single one.

    I don't lose my temper, but when I start basically citing court case, peer reviewed studies and my own lived experiences it often takes them by surprise. There are certain subjects I can speak right down to the footnotes on.

    But wow, after conversations of any length I need my time to recharge. That's pretty much why I work night shift in a fairly solitary occupation.

    Q How does one know I consider them a really a dear friend?

    A I will talk to them on the phone for longer then a minute or two.

  • I am definitely an introvert but years ago I learned how to “turn it off” temporarily when I need to. I was a sophomore in college and I had to take a public speaking class (actually 3 of them for my engineering degree because industry had been telling my University their engineering graduates where technically competent but they were lousy at communicating).

    Anyway, I took the public speaking course in the summer and the majority of students in the class were nursing students. As I prepared to give my first 5 minute speech in that class I looked around the room and a couple of students looked like they were about ready to pass out. Some were literally dripping in sweat and the others were busy staring at their notes preparing to give their first speech.

    I started questioning myself about why should I be nervous standing up and speaking in front of an audience full of people who are so distracted and nervous themselves. I almost laughed out loud at the irony. That realization changed EVERYTHING for me. When it was my turn to give my speech, I confidently walked to the front of the room, “turned off” my introversion, and gave a very relaxed speech that made me look like I was really an extrovert.

  • @JohnR1972 I also do better with people who are more nervous than me. I am able to tap into a more confident version of myself and take the lead.

    ~ Sunset Snuggles

  • @SunsetSnuggles If you don't know any extroverts to pretend to become, create one. It isn't uncommon for children who in isolation to develop an imaginary friend. There's no reason for an adult not to have one too. If you had one as a child, resurrect her. If you didn't, then invent one.

    Give your friend a very extroverted personality. If you don't now how an extrovert would act in any given situation, just imagine here acting like you might want to be able to act. Once you manage to get her personality established, you can start pretending to be her.

  • @GreatHornedOwl Oh I know them now, but in my childhood, teens, and very early 20's, I didn't. I had no idea how communication was supposed to work. Definitely have come a long way.

    ~ Sunset Snuggles

  • @GreatHornedOwl - great story. One point about it: You took on the responsibility of making things happen instead of expecting someone else to do all the work.

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    @Babichev That wasn't me doing anything. It was Fred ;)

  • Got it. So Fred is willing to do the work of starting and holding up a conversation. No wonder he gets the girls. :-)

  • As an autistic, I can confirm: masking works.

    Doing it for too long can be tiring, though. Pretending to be someone you're not takes it out of you—and the more you and "Fred" differ, the more exhausting it's gonna be.

    I like to find people who think introverted people are normal, so I don't have to pretend to be extroverted to be accepted as normal!

    Much less tiring.

  • @Babichev The best part, is that when Fred does it, I get the girls ;)

    @DaringSprinter Actually, I find it to be less tiring than being me. When I me, then interacting with other people is always a bit of a struggle. When I'm Fred (or anybody else), it's almost like being on autopilot. I can let them do all the work. After doing it for 64 years, I can actually relax while interacting with other people. Other wise, interacting with others, while being myself is full of tension.

    I should have mentioned that when I'm posting on the forum, I'm always myself. Being introverted seems to have no effect when I'm writing. Perhaps, it's because I know that I won't have to ook any of you in the the next morning.

  • Introversion and extroversion is irrelevant to one’s level of outgoing behavior, confidence, and social skills. All that means is where we get our energy - from being alone (introvert) or with people (extrovert).

  • Good point, @TheMidnightOwl: I used the words more colloquially than accurately.

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    It took a long time for me to start being able to chat to others. My first job was at a drug store, basically running the front end by myself. There was only one thing I found difficult, talking to strangers/customers. It took a year before I could merely greet customers that just walked in (despite being told to do so day 1). But after some time I realized I wasn't going to be picked on and they weren't worried about talking to me. Just buy their stuff and leave. After that I was able to greet them, started getting more comfortable to where I could joke with them and even cheer some of them up. It is still exhausting to deal with new people and a general effort to engage, but in the microcosm of cashiering, many swear I am outgoing. But in reality, I don't need to maintain a conversation. Interaction ends quickly.

    Still struggle with more than 3 people though. I never cared if I am the focus, but if I don't feel heard, my desire to leave grows. For example, I always got socially sick when I used to go to family reunions. The biggest reunion had over 100 relatives. Just walking through them I was being asked how I am, what's up, or a greeting- back to back to back. I got so overwhelmed I had to walk away and throw up. Sat by myself for a couple hours about 400 feet away to feel ok from a few minutes just walking through that crowd.

    Back to my first job, I learned a trick. I struggled to know what to say next to hold a convo, but I had no issue/fear/panic when explaining something. I'm still reserved and meeting new people soak up a lot of energy, but small talk is easier and it is not as bad anymore. The best time i've had is when I Cosplay, they literally see the character, not me. But that is neither here nor there.

    When I chat in a game, there is no expectation to keep talking and thus no worry. But for example, just DMing the first few here on CC took me at least a few days to a month to work up the courage or work down the dread to DM them. Because, it'd require a conversation. I know I hardly post on here, but I am trying my best.

  • @GreatHornedOwl - my take on it is that Fred gives you permission.

    I’ve had a couple of interesting experiences that showed me how having permission totally changed how I interacted in a situation with a stranger.

    In one case, I was asked to meet with a guy who was going to play Mozart in the play Amadeus. We’d chatted via email and I was providing a translation for the lines in Italian (odd that the script did not include that). Also, he wanted to record me saying the lines so they could get the pronunciation correct. As I was driving to the coffee shop where we were to meet, I realized I had no idea what he looked like. He had not sent a photo, I had no idea his age, height, build. So I stood near the entrance to the coffeehouse with my Italian dictionary in hand, plain to see, and looked around for an unaccompanied male who looked like he was looking for someone. Shortly after, a young guy with a backpack entered and scanned the room. I approached him and said, in Italian, “Excuse me, sir, but are you looking for a woman who speaks Italian?” He looked at me puzzled and replied, “I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you said.” So I told him in English. He wasn’t the one I was looking for but we had a lovely conversation for a few minutes until his study companion arrived. I thought, wow, what a way to start a conversation with a stranger that I’d like to start a conversation with! (By the way, I went to see the play and his pronunciation was perfect! And I got listed in the credits and got to meet the cast. That was fun.)

    Another time I had decided I wanted to learn how to juggle. I had followed instructions from a book and could do the first two steps but absolutely could not do the third step. I needed help. By coincidence, I learned there was going to be a juggling convention in town. I contacted the organizers and said I don’t want to attend the convention, I just want to learn to juggle, and she said for $2 I could get into the vendor’s hall and someone would teach me. I went. When I walked into this huge room, the walls were lined with vendors and in the middle there were lots of folks and lots of stuff flying into the air - balls, hoops, bowling pins, rubber chickens. It was quite the site. I finally struck up a conversation with a vendor, told him my purpose in being there. He said he could not leave his booth but pointed to a woman and said, “She’s a friend of mine, she’ll help you out.” I went up to this woman and said, “That guy over there said you’d help me out,” and she said, “Oh, sure.” We went through the steps one by one and sure enough, I was able to complete the third step. Yay! I thanked her, returned to the guy, and said, “She was really nice!” He said, “Oh, that’s not who I was pointing to but it doesn’t matter.”

    Thinking I had permission made it easy.

    @GreatHornedOwl - I just had an Aha! moment. We should all have a Fred. I think I will try to keep this in mind next time I need a friend like Fred.

  • @Babichev Your views regarding being granted permission, have given me a lot to think about, and has really got my head spinning. Fred (or some other construct) grants me permission. I am being Fred. Ergo, I am granting permission to myself. It sounds Fred must be redundant, but he isn't.

    That sounds like a fantastic way to meet someone. Much better that "Don't I know you from someplace?"

    By coincidence, my profile lists Amadeus as my favorite movie. It's partly the plot, and partly the music, but I thinking that part of the attraction, is that Mozart is portrayed an an extreme

    How did you like the play?

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    Oh, the play was fun! It was a very well done community theater production about 90 minutes from home. I’ve seen the film, too, and loved it.

    I’m now thinking about how various social contexts either provide us with permission to approach strangers or do not. In many dance scenes it’s expected that you ask others to dance, not just including those you don’t know but making it a point to ask the new people so they get integrated into the group. I really like that ethos. You don’t have to be a good conversationalist and the interaction is structured so it gives one a sense of safety and predictability. Contrast that to most of life where it can be perceived as downright creepy to approach a stranger. Being a white woman of a certain age I’m aware that it gives me some privilege in this regard. Almost no one is afraid of old white ladies.

    When I was in my mid-fifties I started dating for the first time in my life. I had a 19 year old friend, a college student, who became my dating coach. He had Tourette’s and it was very inconvenient. He’d be chatting with you and every few minutes his head would jerk and he’d make a squeaky noise. He once told me that as a child he lived under a cloud but when he got to college he decided to reinvent himself, he did not want to continue to live in this way. He got his initial coaching from reading a book on picking up women but he took the lessons to heart. It boiled down to be fun & funny & confident and women will be attracted to you. He once told me, “Be bold. Be confident. Don’t be creepy and needy. And flirt with everyone!” Words to live by! By flirting he did not mean sexual come-ons but just give people good energy, be playful, compliment them, give them some attention. Everywhere he went he was interacting with people, he was a ball of sunshine rolling through life. If they weren’t interested, he’d move on, he did not make a pest of himself. His philosophy was if he did this with everyone, then when he encountered a woman he’d like to know better, striking up a conversation with her was easy and came naturally. He was a great guy and I learned a lot from him. He’s all married and has a daughter now.

    I guess he’s my Fred. One of his rules: if you saw someone you wanted to approach, don’t procrastinate. Do it within 90 seconds or else you’ll talk yourself out of it. I think there’s some wisdom in that. The more we think it over, the more we get into our head and shut ourselves down. Obviously, one needs to use a bit of sense about this but in general, in the right situations, I think he’s probably right.

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    I still consider myself an introvert although people that know me don't believe that I am. A long time ago I realized that smiling really helps me in those situations where I'm nervous to talk to someone new in person, that and being knowledgeable about the conversation, so if it is for a job interview I prepare myself by researching the position and about the company.
    @JohnR1972 it definitely helps me if I notice that the other person is nervous, it gives me confidence and I smile even more, even admitting that I am nervous too, to help break the ice. It definitely helped when I first started as a pro cuddler.
    @Babichev wow that is all great advice from your dating coach!
    I agree and try to do the same, but, I'm still too nervous to approach a guy that I'm attracted to.. I can't even smile. If a cute guy walks up to me I get nervous and try to leave the situation, probably why I'm usually single lol...
    But if it is in a work setting or social setting I usually try to smile and compliment everyone because I heard a long time ago that smiles are contagious and can help lighten the mood.

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