It's pretty disturbing what happened:
On the same day ruZZia fired missiles at children, and I was told that about 500 poor people died on a boat. Oh, and ruZZia is probably getting ready to blow up a nuclear power plant. I find these stories much more disturbing.
People die climbing mountains and such all the time, at least they chose to go in that submarine. The children in Ukraine didn't choose to have ruZZians try to murder them.
@JasonCuddles
Yes, yes indeed.
Yeah I’m sure this is the place to talk about it.
It is disturbing that they cut so many corners to design this craft and it was piloted by a wireless XBOX controller. An engineer warned that it wasn't safe and he was fired.
Safety 3rd!
@JasonCuddles - I'm aware of the other stuff that is going on, but they intentionally compromised safety to lower the cost of designing this craft causing preventable deaths.
@Mike403 I can't believe those people agreed to put themselves at risk. But at the end of the day, this is nothing new. Cutting corners is just a fact of life for all these greedy manufactures. It happens with cars, buildings and consumer products all the time. This incident just gets more media coverage.
@MrAdmirer - Yes, but it should never be done when going to space or the deep ocean. NASA learned that after the Challenger explosion.
@JasonCuddles so because people die horrible deaths on a regular basis , nobody should give a shit about it when someone dies a potentially less horrific death than the next person? Didn't realize this was a contest to you.
I am not sure how accurate my info is, but I heard it was not even a first party Microsoft controller. It was a logitech controller. Now granted I have way more confidence in Logitech as a 3rd party controller than, say, MadKatz (at least MadKatz back in the day), but still. If I saw some logitech xbox 360 controller being used on a modern day sub I would have noped on out of there immediately.
Big part of the problem is there is no regulation of this industry, so they could operate without any third party safety inspections. It always takes a tragedy to change things.
@WriterGF the main problem was where the submersible was operated was in international waters that submersible would’ve never been allowed to dive into American water or British water from what I understand. No, I’m not an expert on legality, but I believe that, since the submersible was in international waters It was acceptable.
I can understand wanting to explore a mysterious universe.So many people have died trying to climb Mt.Everest, yet the demand remains.A woman who suffered an amputation from a horrific accident will be climbing Mt Everest in the near future despite having lost a lower limb.People want to try different things.
The mystery is not, 'why did it implode'. The mystery is, 'how did such a badly designed and badly constructed submersible survive this long?'
The chief baddie in this story seems to be the boss of the company, who was driving the boat at the time. Presumably he had committed the classic mistake of believing his own propaganda... or perhaps nobody else would drive it.
These were all grown men that made a decision for whatever reason to join this expedition I cannot fathom, but I’m pretty sure they had to sign waivers, but the tragedy is the son did not really want to go. He just wanted to please his father according to the aunt
I saw a video of somebody reading out the waiver. That at least was spot on. It was something like, "This is an experimental vehicle uncertified by any organisation. Travelling it in carries the risk of death or serious injury." It couldn't have been clearer.
"This is an experimental vehicle uncertified by any organisation. Travelling it in carries the risk of death or serious injury."
That’s exactly the wording on the waiver I had to sign before arriving on Earth.
Very tragic. My condolences to the families and their loved one! I hope the company can take the lesson from the tragedy.
Sometimes sons do too much/go thru too much trying to please their father. I hate when fathers don't understand the damage they are doing to their sons, no matter how good their intentions might be.
The next question is if the U.S. Navy secret system detected the catastrophic failure at the same time the sub lost contact, what’s the source of the banging noises heard at that depth days later?
@PrettyLuv they determined that those sounds were just natural sounds from the ocean. They had actually heard the implosion on Sunday about maybe two hours after the dive, but they treated it as a regular search and rescue and let it drag on.
I'm not sure why they didn't send a robotic mission down in that vehicle to see if it came back up in one piece.
@Mike403 I believe you’re a computer gamer if I remember correctly one of the interesting things that happened There was a PC game on steam called iron lung when this tragedy happened the sales of that game skyrocketed it’s a very interesting pseudo submarine horror game if you haven’t heard of it.
I feel sorry for the 4 passengers the CEO took to their deaths. However, I don’t have much sympathy for the CEO who bragged about his discriminatory hiring practices that likely contributed to the disaster. An experienced 50 year old engineer MIGHT have caught design flaws or added redundancy for critical systems that less experienced engineers didn’t think to add.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/oceangate-ceo-didn-t-want-to-hire-any-experienced-50-year-old-white-guys-because-they-weren-t-inspirational/vi-AA1cQwVv
Engineers who have a lot of experience is probably gonna be older. Not somebody fresh out of college.
@JohnR1972 that and also this: “OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush is said to have dismissed warnings from leading deep sea exploration specialist Rob McCallum that he was potentially putting his clients at risk.”
There were a lot of great comments from engineers on this excellent video, although they are a bit buried now. Highlights included incredulity at using carbon fibre in compression, and the ineptitude of the gluing technique during construction (which was shown in a clip). There may also have been unbalanced tightness on the nuts holding the hatch shut, which at this depth isn't OK.
I don't know a thing about building anything, much less engineering, @CuddleDuncan, but I thought it was strange that carbon fibre was used.
I watched stories on TV and also read well-researched stories in newspapers.
Ultimatly this will give people pause to pay to dive on any wrecks until these private companies can proove thier product is safe. Its a free market but things like this bring too much public outcry and is bad for buisness
