I can't download the client contract they sent to me. Do we have any way to inform to Cuddle Confort so that I can text the client the contract?
Whenever any client clicks on the "Request a Session" button to message you, he sees the following notice: "Important. This member only cuddles for a fee. Please only send a message if you have read and agree to the Client Service Agreement linked below." For any client whose intentions are above board, that should be sufficient. And for those who won't bother to read it, or who have bad intentions, I'm skeptical that texting the CSA to them will accomplish much. It's probably more effective to talk to clients if you have any doubts or questions about how they might behave. That should give you a better feel for them (and thus, better security) than their checking a box or initialing a form, in my opinion. I will say that I have never had a pro send me the CSA as part of the booking process.
You can send him the link to the contract https://www.cuddlecomfort.com/media/contracts/CC_Client_Service_Agreement.pdf , which he already agreed to on signing up to this website, and you can download it from there. But there's no way to absolutely guarantee that anyone will read it.
Every potential client I've ever asked whether he read the CSA has said he has, without exception. In my experience, however, a lot of people lie about it and don't bother to read it. You can tell because they'll ask for things forbidden in the CSA and will ask you questions that the CSA has already answered.
Good luck.
A cuddle pro friend of mine prints out the contract and goes over it with each new client before the cuddle starts, having them sign it with her at the start and keeping it on file.
I mean.. isnt that a tad bit excessive? Im not a pro so i dont know, but it feels a tad bit excessive.
@grumpcat - No, it's not. When money changes hands, it changes everything.
@grumpcat , @BlueIris I have to agree with grumpcat on this one. Printing out the contract and going over it line by line with each new client and then requiring their signature on it strikes me as far more lawyerly than cuddly. I much prefer pros who rely more on their instincts and our personal interactions than on their devotion to an inflexible process. If a paid cuddler reads my profile and all of my karma reviews; if she trades PMs with me long enough to get a feel for my temperament, personality, and cuddle experience; if we also have a phone conversation or two, then she will know full well what cuddling with me will be like. I'm also happy to meet in public prior to going to the cuddle space so she can eyeball me in person and reconfirm the kind of vibe I give off. If after all of that she still felt a need to review the agreement, I'd find it a little insulting.
I met my 37th pro last weekend (not all from this site). Not one of them has ever felt it necessary to drag out a copy of the agreement, nor has anyone felt a need to reference it once the cuddling started. Having someone do that would be a mood killer for me, and being asked to sign the thing would probably be a deal breaker. Of course, OP has to do whatever makes her comfortable.
I have to agree. I'm all for being safe, but holy crap if they started quoting section 2 subparagraph A with me.. I'd be like "Ill have my lawyer get back with you" and leave.
I don't think it's overkill, but it influences the vibe you give off as to what type of experience you are looking to provide. I see a lot of people who don't like the pros who give off a more "clinical" vibe in their sessions, and I'm pretty sure this is more on that side of this industry. If you go to any office for an appointment, you will likely sign something, but you won't if you're going to a friend's place to hang out. It's just a different vibe, and different people prefer different things depending on what they're looking for, and different pros prefer different processes, depending on what they're looking to provide. My goal is to continue getting more professional and educated, but maintain the non-clinical vibe. I don't think it's as easy as it sounds, but from what I hear from clients, it makes a huge difference in their satisfaction. People looking into the service purely for therapy may have a different opinion (and not mind this so much) than those looking into the service purely for some connection and companionship however (as a clinical atmosphere can make it feel less authentic or genuine). Just my thoughts...
Id love for the people on this site who want a clinical experience to speak up, im like SUPER interested now. Do we do the bright lights and slap on some latex gloves too?
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@grumpcat it might not be as much on this site. This site is more for the other types of clients and pros. I know a lot more pros from other sites who see clients who are actually seeking therapy or have other issues than the people on here simply looking for cuddles. But with "more professional" often comes "more clinical", which is why I think it can be a struggle to maintain that authenticity while increasing your professionalism. But I'm sure a lot of pros on here will disagree with me on this matter. It is just my thoughts and what I hear from other pros and my clients.
I still don't see the connection between breaking out a copy of the agreement and reading through it before the session and clinical/professionalism. And I am one who has always advocated on behalf of the women on here re safety and calling out the slime balls and wolves on here. But I do agree with @grumpcat on this one. There are less invasive manners in which to assure the clients have a grasp on what is expected of them.
Because it is something you do when you go to a masseuse or a spa (normal in those environments). It is not something you do when going to spend time with a friend. As you get more professional and build a business, you're going to incorporate more procedures to ensure your safety and simplify things. It can be tricky to do that and maintain the non-clinical atmosphere. That's all I was saying.
In any case its seems everyone has different views on this, I would just hope that this person who whips out the printed out agreement would tell the clients in advance that they are going to do so.
I haven't had anybody go over a contract when I have gone to get a massage. Some of them will want to consult to see if there is any particular type of massage I need, and some will have signs displaying rules in the room on the wall what is expected and that sexual services aren't rendered.
You've never signed an agreement or release form before getting a massage? I would expect that at legitimate massage places, but not skeevy places. Thus my correlation with the same potentially occurring at more professional cuddler sessions. Not saying it should occur before a cuddling session, just that I would see it as more likely at an established cuddling business than someone just trying to make some cash...
No I haven't . I may have once or twice but that was more just to see if there was something particular I needed. Typically you just have a conversation with the person. Especially if it is the same person you see on a fairly regular basis. Doesn't make it skeevy or not legit.
I have gotten plenty of massages throughout my life at different places and none of them ever asked me to fill anything out nor sign any form of release. I don't understand what that accomplishes but I guess they can do it if they want. Once in the room the massage therapist just asked me what type of massage I wanted and proceeded with the session. My experiences with pros is limited but I don't think I would book a pro that would pull out the whole agreement and go over it with me before the session because that would be a mood killer, but to each their own and everybody's comfort level is different and if they feel that's what they need to do to be safe then that's what they should do.
You guys go to different types of places than I do, lol. Any service that involves touch should have something you sign and a liability release. It's just with cuddling it's usually done virtually so it doesnt ruin the friendly tone of the session.
I don't consider getting a massage to be any different than getting a facial, pedicure, waxing, or hair colored. There is not paperwork for that either. large part of the cuddle contract is to be made aware of what is appropriate behavior, it is non sexual, and expectations re payment. Which since you are setting something up here prior to ever meeting, and there is safety and the perception by some of more than cuddling, i can see the significance of having this contract and making sure it is agreed upon. This is not so much the case with getting a massage or other spa services though, particularly when it is a public business with open doors to the customer.
I think everyone is missing the big picture here. There are multiple users now saying they wouldn't be ok with this approach lol.
I mean to each their own but if your clientele are telling you , "Hey maybe dont do this".. maybe a different approach would be advisable.
But alas the thread is about cuddling contract so i will stop talking now about massages lol, other than to say i treated myself to a 90 min massage yesterday evening as a fathers day gift to myself and i had trouble driving home because my entire body was like jello!!!
geez @pmvines how is going over the contract together "invasive"? do you know what that words means haha. If a client refused to review the contract with me I would assume something fishy is up and pass. I've never gone as far as to print it out and bring it with me but as other pros have said otfen time i get asked (DURING A SESSION) to do something thats been covered in the contract so it's obvious they haven't actually read it, so I could totally see why a pro would want to make sure everyone is on the same page before the session starts.
@grumpcat I have agreed with that from the beginning ;-)
@Kaiterpillar After re reading my post I agree that invasive is a poor choice of words on my part. Doesnt really describe what i am trying to say. I have always advocated for the safety and comfort of the women here on this site, so please don't think I am saying that there should not be an understanding of it from both parties. I am saying that I can see how it may feel a little bit more business like and it that's not what you are going for then there are ways to ensure it is addressed without giving that impression. An example is the thread re payment, and how is this handled in a way that reduces awkwardness and makes it seem less business like. So even though I agree there is nothing wrong with the expectation for it to be read and agreed upon, some of the users have brought up that methodology is important to them. I don't utilize cuddle services so I am merely stating an opinion as an observer and not a participant. Hope you don't take offense to what I said, not meant that way.
@Kaiterpillar You also bring up that there are people who have had issues with clients even after stating they have read the cuddle contract. I think that goes to show that there are going to be people who will say whatever they think you want to hear, and aren't going to abide by it even if they read it in your presence and agree to it. Unfortunately there are some slimy people out there. I have heard a fair share of stories from my friends on here, actually had heard from two cuddlers who were assaulted just within the past couple of weeks. And these are people who have been around for quite a while, not newbies. So please keep safe and whatever you feel you need to do for your own personal screening and safety concerns is entirely up to you.
at the end of the day, for my safety (and the clients) a public meet is required to visually confirm identity as a basic measure of security. if we're grabbing coffee, we need something to chat about anyways. i don't see how confirming a few of the key points of the contract in conversation (I.e no kissing, clothes stay on, no touching in bathing suit areas etc) is harmful in any way. i understand that you, as a client, want the situation to feel as friendly, hospitable, non-professional/clinical or whatever, but at the end of the day you are paying for a service. and this service is one where often women are putting themselves in potentially dangerous environments. so if these little confirmations or signatures or whatever are offensive to you, simply don't hire them but please don't argue against a woman doing the absolute most she can to protect her safety and make sure she's only seeing people with good, positive intent.
this especially goes for clients with no karma. I think that when you see good comments, theres a basic assumption that you know the contract and I wouldn't be as concerned with confirming with you.
@kaiterpillar I hear you, that makes sense. I respect you all doing what you feel comfy with and if you have a client who takes issue then it is wise to be firm about your position . Nobody can deny you what makes you feel safe and if they attempt to then best to avoid them .
Yea you do you, just understand some of us will do us.
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