Californication and Geese Droppings!

Hello all, I’m wondering if any of you have any stories to tell about how population movement patterns are impacting your local communities.

For me, I relocated to a Arizona a couple years ago, after living most of my life in the desert southwest. In many ways it was like coming home, but there was also that purely local flavor that all communities possess. I value the differences because nothing is more boring than a strip mall filled with national chains.

One observation popped out at me that caught me a little by surprise. It was that regardless of age, color, creed, or politics, most Arizonans had a real case of chapped @ss about Californians and Canadians. 😀

When the locals find out I’m non-local they get cautious; when they find out I’m not from California (by accent it’s obvious I’m not from Canada 😀) they relax.

It varies in degree and passion but the locals feel overwhelmed by mass migration of foreign attitudes.

There's an entire website centered around it (not endorsing or refuting - just observing).

https://www.dontcalifornicatearizona.com/

With Canadians it’s mostly a seasonal thing but the impact is huge due to numbers.

When I ask the locals, it mostly that both groups are culturally smug and disdain Arizona even though they’re obviously there for a reason. And want to change Arizona to better match where they come from.

To most Arizonans it feels like:

Anyway, that’s my observation. Yours? Not seeking confirmation of this in Arizona as much as I’m curious what other issues face you in your communities.

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  • Funny subject and when I hear stuff like that my response is : I'm an American. I will go wherever I want and live however I want and bring whatever I want whenever I want to. Anywhere in America. Even your neighborhood. 😁

    People love to hate California for "liberal policies" such is not murdering or marginalizing people, but I think the real burning seething hatred is because they can't afford to live here. Btw, for a little irony, Ask San Diego how they feel about the zonies descending in caravans of catastrophic numbers and clogging up the coast for the entire summer.

  • [Deleted User]WriterGF (deleted user)

    Not to worry. I've met quite a few people exploring moving out of the US, with Canada, Ireland and Portugal high on the list of destinations.

  • @biancalovecraft thats funny about San Diego. I’ve spent quite a bit of time there and they resent everybody clogging up their beaches. Beautiful and interesting city. And I agree, the phenomenon isn’t limited to AZ.

    As far as wanting to move there, that’s not been my experience. I’ve worked at a few very large national companies and the hardest market to get people to move to was California. When polled the candidates listed cost of living top five consistently but not top three.

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    My community "elders" are upset about not being able to draw in certain retailers (they don't want to drive 20 minutes to the next town.)
    Yet next breath, complain about "city" people moving there and building new subdivisions and houses.
    They don't understand business.
    There's also complaints about strain on roads, schools, wild life losing their habitat, etc. But remind those same people that they were once newbies and spearheaded the current influx -- well, I got booted from a local FB group for sharing my logic. LOL

  • Denver locals absolutely hate Texans, none of them have ever revealed why. I think it’s because they don’t know how to interact with friendly people (aka Texans)

  • @starrynitecuds I can see that. It’s easy to pick and choose what to like and dislike. Even in the examples I gave, most Arizonans are pro growth, which both Californians and Canadians provide.

  • @CarrieCo thats funny. I spent some time in Las Vegas for a long project and found the same. The locals treated everyone friendly like they were scammers or trying to sell them something, or trying to pick them up for a date. Took a bit to get past anyone’s public “I’m not a victim” face.

    I eventually took it as a symptom of a stressed and highly transient community.

  • As a Texan, I can say that most people here are friendly and accepting...unless you want to limit our rights to live free. There was a lengthy post on NextDoor about Kroger grocery store's distribution center located on Kroger Drive. The brand is 141 years old. The distribution center was built when there was nothing for miles except a railroad track and farmland.

    Californians are moving to Texas, Arizona and Washington more than any other states according to an article I read. As the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex expands north to accommodate all these new homeowners, developers eventually bought the land adjacent to the Kroger distribution center. Common sense says if you buy a house that backs up to a place that has 18-wheelers driving in and out 24 hours a day and bright parking lot lighting...you think about that BEFORE you buy the house.

    Instead, this Californian tried to rally his neighbors to shut down the facility because of its "light and noise pollution." He said, "we did it back home in California and stopped the greedy business from being such a nuisance."

    The reaction on NextDoor? Not one Texan agreed, and many were far less than friendly about the arrogance and entitlement of these Californians trying yet again to Californicate our state.

    Reason 2: We have no income tax, but we do have a property tax. My property value had not changed significantly in 15 years...then it QUADRUPLED over a 6 year period. Why? People from both coasts sold overly inflated tiny houses (by Texas standards) allowing them to pay 2 and 3 times the cost of a home in nearby prime neighborhoods and causing a boom in construction.

    I'm on a fixed income. My house is almost paid off. If this continues, I may have to sell my home and move to a cheap seniors apartment because I cannot keep up with the increases in insurance and taxes.

    (Before the hate mail starts, I have many friends and former clients in CA. It is not the individual people that "chap my @ss"...it is the sense of entitlement many bring with them.)

  • @Gwynne42 I think that’s the main issue, Texans hand down traditions, manners, mannerisms. We’re happy to share our culture and our towns with outsiders but we are very adverse to outsiders coming in and demanding change without having any understanding of how we do things around here.

    We are also taught to be kind because it feels nice to do the right thing, and like @lovingspoonfull explained, a lot of other cultures don’t know how to interact with people who have pure intentions because they live in a very different type of environment that fosters all kinds of different grifts.

    I like certain values that Californian’s carry, I like that they value nature, health, and innovation. I like that they can be care free and “sun drunk”, just happy to be existing in such a beautiful place.

    I however do not appreciate how Austin is changing and I no longer stop when I’m driving through it, all my favorite places have been bought and sold out of existence.

  • @CarrieCo I’m really sorry you experienced that. I also moved from Texas to Colorado but my experience has been the opposite. Coloradans have always been welcoming to me and my family.

  • @Ineedahugortwo im glad you had a positive experience here. That’s my theory, that you have to import your social circle or have an existing one.
    The life I imagined I would have and the reality I’ve been met with couldn’t be more contrasted. My social life died the moment I moved here and I’ve lived here long enough to determine it’s not the place for me and I can’t be happy here, I like friendly people way too much and I moved here without any friends.
    I leave town every opportunity I get and I’m working on moving.

  • @CarrieCo I’m truly sorry. Maybe we could meet for coffee- no pressure though. I just know what being in a place you don’t feel welcomed to feels like. Please DM me if you feel comfortable. would love to connect.

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    The thing I love most about Texas is the friendliness!
    But for a few reasons, I would love to be able to move from Texas to Colorado. I’ve never felt I have the typical Texas mentality. I would fit in much better in Colorado probably, around more like-minded people but I’m generalizing and making assumptions probably.
    But my family is in Texas so I feel stuck there.
    Btw, I moved to Dallas in the mid 70s in my mid 20s and it was very different back then. I won’t get specific.

  • Well, I’m a friendly sort but can’t claim it came from Texas as even while I was born there, I moved away young. 😇 unless someone wants to claim it’s genetic!

    My earlier point also wasn’t about calling out California or Canadians, but rather recognizing that wherever you go there should be something you appreciate even if your heart still lies with home, wherever you call it. Otherwise unnecessary tensions arise.

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    When I moved to Vermont in early 20s for a few years from Alabama some people found it amusing but generally speaking didn't care much, as they were mostly all blue collar and low income, or hippy artists in communes. when I spent a lot of time in Chicago as a teen and after high school there were uneducated people who thought that I must live in a dirt cabin and own a slave and not know how to read for write.

  • @pmvines I’ve got a good friend from Tennessee whose accent is “pure hillbilly” per his own description, and we are both amused when people realize he’s actually pretty damned sharp.

    It’s a bizarre assumption to make. But then again my own grandmother hated my Texas accent when I was a boy. She thought it made me sound “ignorant”. People make so many assumptions…

  • @lovingspoonfull Agreed. I have been nomadic my entire life and have lived all over this country and there are friendly, open people in every state and region and also a fair share of the Devil’s Spawn in every state and region and anyone who says otherwise is a dealer of provincial ideals. The more people who realize this would be a benefit to peaceful conflict resolution in all matters of life.

  • For work, I moved from northern NJ to an Amish area in IN. The impact of population movement pattern I see is the spread of the Amish. While the younger "English" (non-Amish) generation is waiting longer to have kids, the Amish are still having large families. As a result, they cannot stay within the small communities they grew up in because the is only so much land. So they are spreading into other areas and buying up land from the English. Since the Amish have deeper wallets, they pay whatever they need to get whatever property they want. (Thus inflating property values.) And when the Amish choose to move, the property they are leaving will not be sold to English for any reason or price. While the English may hire Amish for whatever reason, Amish only hire Amish. As a result, contractors like me have to travel further out to get work. (A typical job for me is 30-50 miles or 45 min.-1hr. away.) The other impact the spread of the Amish has is needing to re-pave or repair roads more frequently. (Horse hooves)

  • @4bearhugs thanks for sharing that. I can see how that would put stress on a community.

    And it was likely short sighted of me but I had this vaguely innocuous and isolationist view of the Amish. Sounds like they have a much larger impact than I would have assumed.

  • Btw, I moved to Dallas in the mid 70s in my mid 20s and it was very different back then. I won’t get specific.

    @g_w_t_w I will. How about I-635 only being three lanes in each direction? DFW Airport was brand-spankin' new. There was only ONE tollroad in the entire DFW metroplex (was it even called the metroplex back then?).

    You needed a Unicard to be able to drink at a bar or club - oh, wait, no, that was in the 1990's.

  • [Deleted User]Ihavenoidea2 (deleted user)

    @Jubal You had to pay to use the people mover/tram at DFW airport.

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    I moved to Dallas in 1975. I don’t remember the Unicard but I should (worried about my memory) because I worked at Steak & Ale and Tolberts original locations in the 70s.
    I remember first being able to drive on 635 to the airport, a big deal when it was finally finished!

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