What time would you prefer year round if time change stopped, daylight saving, standard, or middle?

I am very sure the preference will most likely vary based on whether you live on the west side, mid-longitude side, or the east side of the time zone. The USA has actually experimented with permanent daylight saving time twice, in the 1940s, and in early 1970s, sort of. In 1973, daylight saving time began in the first Sunday of the year, and although most people favored year round daylight saving time in that time, they say that with a survey, it has dropped to only 42% by the end of March. It probably dropped the most in the western side of the time zones but not as much in the mid longitude regions of the time zones and probably hardly at all in the eastern side of the time zones. Here is one example, in San Francisco, its earliest sunrise in the summer is at 5:47 AM and its latest sunset in the summer is at 8:36 PM, and in the winter, its latest sunrise is at 7:26 AM and its earliest sunset is at 4:50 PM; but in the day right before we set back clocks in the fall, the sunrise time is later than the winter latest sunrise for most parts of the US main continent (except for most of Arizona as most of it doesn’t observe daylight saving time) and part of the south extreme of Canada, while it expands up to around 43° N or so when the daylight saving time ends on November 1st, but when it ends on November 7, the whole US main continent (except for most of Arizona) actually has later sunrise time than its respective latest sunrise time in winter, and it creeps as far north as Vancouver, British Columbia latitude. In the day before daylight saving time ends, the sunrise time in San Francisco varies between 7:35 AM and 7:41 AM (depending which day in November it ends), which is later than its latest sunrise time in winter. In contrast, in the eastern edge of Nevada at the same latitude as San Francisco, the earliest sunrise time is at 5:13 AM and its latest sunset time is at 8:01 PM, and its latest sunrise in winter is at 6:50 AM, while its sunrise time right before daylight saving time ends varies from 7:00 AM to 7:07 AM. And of course, once you step into Utah, as that is right next to Utah, all of that becomes one hour later! But not to mention, in San Francisco, when the daylight saving time ends in November 7, its sunrise time in November 6 is at 7:41 AM and its sunset time is at 6:04 PM, and in the next day; its sunrise time is at 6:42 AM and its sunset time is at 5:03 PM! Now imagine how much worse it is on the eastern edge of Nevada! When the daylight saving time ends on November 7, in the eastern edge of Nevada in the same latitude as San Francisco on November 6, its sunrise time is at 7:07 AM and its sunset time is at 5:32 PM, and on November 7, its sunrise time is at 6:08 AN and its sunset time is at 4:31 PM! I am sure they would far much rather keep daylight saving time permanent instead of keeping standard time permanent; by which permanent daylight saving time would make its latest sunrise be at 7:50 AM and it would make its earliest sunset time be at 5:16 PM, whereas the standard time would not only make the winter daylight times be the same as it currently is in that point in Nevada, but it would make its earliest sunrise to be at 4:13 AM and it would make its latest sunset time to be at 7:01 PM, whereas if in that point of Nevada entering into Utah, Utah kept daylight saving time permanent statewide, in that point in Utah would have latest sunrise of 8:50 AM and earliest sunset of 6:16 PM. But it would get even crazier if we are talking about the western point of Oklahoma. In the western point of Oklahoma, its earliest sunrise is at 6:30 AM and its latest sunset is at 9:13 PM, while its latest sunrise in winter is at 8:04 AM and its earliest sunset time is at 5:34 PM, while in the day right before daylight saving time ends, the sunrise time there varies from 8:13 AM to 8:20 AM! So it means if Oklahoma made daylight saving time permanent statewide, while its earliest sunset time would be at 6:34 PM, its latest sunrise would be at a whopping 9:04 AM! I am sure they would rather keep standard time permanent even though that would cause its earliest sunrise time to be at 5:30 AM and its latest sunset time to be at 8:13 PM! Or maybe make the time be halfway in between, which would make winter more inconvenient, but not much more inconvenient, and would make summer more inconvenient for them, but not nearly as much more inconvenient as permanent standard time would make it to be. However, most of Alaska is technically on the wrong time zone, putting it way ahead in time, already making the sunrise and sunset time to be much later than it would otherwise be. Anchorage may be in a similar longitudinal reference position in its time zone as western Oklahoma and Williston, North Dakota are, but Nome is just too much farther west, and the western islands goes even further west. The furthest west Alaskan islands may be put one hour behind from the rest of Alaska, but it still is way off from its real time zone position, so people from most cities in Alaska may most definitely prefer their area to be put on permanent standard time rather than permanent daylight saving time.

But yeah, what would you say is your time zone preference in your area if the time change was to stop permanently, permanent daylight saving time, permanent standard time, or the time put halfway in between the two permanently and be left alone forever?

  1. What is your preferred permanent time year round if time changes stopped permanently?17 votes
    1. Permanent daylight saving time year round
      64.71%
    2. Permanent standard time year round
      23.53%
    3. Permanently halfway in between the two all year round
      11.76%

Comments

  • Tldr, but if one time was to be established, why wouldn't it be the one which is were the sun is directly overhead at noon? The time at which noon is literally defined?

  • @btc13 Exactly, that's the easiest way.

    I didn't read the whole text, as in the end the time is just a number. It doesn't matter if we define 12 o'clock as noon, or if we even decide that a day now has 36 hours and noon is at 18 o'clock.
    The only problem is the change due to daylight savings. That's why I don't do it anymore since some years.

  • I skipped the wall of text, but I don't care as long as it stops changing.

  • [Deleted User]WriterGF (deleted user)

    I know that when they eliminated the change in the '70s, it was not popular. Car accident rates went up and people weren't happy with their kids having to go to school in the dark.

  • Kids already have to go to school in the dark in Boise, Idaho, as well as much of Michigan for the Eastern Time Zone portion, much of western Montana, and much of western North Dakota that is on the Central Time Zone portion, and all of Alaska (even the extreme southeast portion) even on standard time. One thing with studies that they have found is that in the first day back on standard time, car accidents in the evening go up drastically. One thing for sure that is unfortunate is that many drivers are irresponsible and don’t yield the way to pedestrians or those crossing the road or drive in a rush to work or back home, and even some drive while drunk or sleepy, making it even worse! And the fact that it is illegal in most countries doesn’t stop it unfortunately.

  • Arizona does not do daylight savings. I like it that way.

  • edited February 2025

    I would prefer that we not have to adjust our clocks twice year, and that we pick a timekeeping scheme and stick with it.

  • It’s just an hour, 2 Xs a year so doesn’t bother me. I do like gaining an hour in the fall.
    Either way, my life won’t change. Go with the flow. Maybe it’s a mild nuisance at most for me.

  • During the spring forward when hour is lost, there is also an increase in cardiac events.

    There is still a minor argument for remaining on std time to reduce the amount of time kids maybe in the dark, and buses.

    It is often cited that the driver for dst was farming, but when I looked into it seemed more like the political emotional reason (historically many farmers are starting at 4/5am and work many hours in the dark before sunrise, so stands to reason that having the hour on the end of day is minimal in its benefits to farming. It seems the larger driver was economics as people stayed out and spent more money. (I'm too lazy to cite my sources, it was a few years ago when I was looking into)

    I personally like DST better, but the days still get shorter and colder...so like others I would fairly happy with either scenario that results in not changing as that is the biggest benefit of all.

    Also minor but for those with little ones and early bedtimes it might be a little harder to enforce going to bed on time...but considering Alaska's survives half the year with no real darkness, like all things it can be compensated for.

  • Well, I guess I would just say that the one hour in question was just taken up by the length of the post.

  • Daylight savings time
    I've got all the time im the world
    To change the time
    By an hour twice a year

    The DST change is no good.

  • I want to keep Daylight Savings Time year-round. Standard time is only used four months of the year now and it is so dark after work, which I don't like. I don't mind it being dark in the morning since I am always up before the sun now, as it is.

  • If there are situations where it is better to change the start and end times of something due to changes in the amount of daylight hours, why not just adjust those start and end times instead of just pretending that it's noon or whatever time when it isn't? All changing the hour does is externally adjust the starting and ending times of everything.

  • edited February 2025

    I like waking up in the dark and seeing the sunrise so probably permanent daylight savings!

  • Irrelevant to me. Time is an illusion - lunchtime doubly so.

  • My dad was an attorney and did work for kingsford charcoal they used to heavily lobby Congress to keep daylight savings for charcoal sales

  • I would prefer not to have any imaginary time changes. ⏰️

    As someone with S.A.D. who is greatly influenced by light, ideally, I'd have "daytime" last as long into the night as possible. ☀️

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