I'm curious if anyone is fan of making AI art, if os what do you like to use and what are some of your favorites?
I think that AI can be a useful tool, but it’s not very satisfying in terms of Art.
Auto tune (as an example of “AI” in Art) is great to let some poor drummer “sing” the lyrics on a demo they bring to the band.
But let the humans make art. Let AI do the repetitive nonsense.
But, much like optics, straight rulers, squares, cameras, and computers, technology advances and artists adapt and create new art.
So, I never want to gatekeep but I also think art is too important to the artists who make it and the audience that experiences it to leave it to technology, and logarithmic functions, and machined “perfection”.
Metronomes are ok, phase modulation to create “perfect music” tends to be boring as mud.
I can’t explain the difference, but I have never been moved by an AI piece but I have stood in AWE in front of a Van Gogh or a Matisse, blown away by how HUMAN it was.
I'm not sure what the difference is between AI and what we used to call PhotoShop.
I tried it once.
@IronLemon Nice!!
@ChemicalBob Text to art AI programs like Midjourney generate art based on the things you write and flags given.
Yes, here is the thread:
https://www.cuddlecomfort.com/forum/discussion/18554/anyone-else-having-fun-with-a-i-image-generation/p1
@CharlesGrove posted: "art is too important to the artists who make it and the audience that experiences it to leave it to technology"
💯 I would never want true art to go away. I don't imagine that's the point behind AI art...though certainly it's churned out a new generation of sellers on Etsy who are pawning AI art on objects which, without any drawing talent, they never could have done, before. It's very interesting.
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I think there's two wonderful things about AI art...
One, it allows people to create something extremely specific, which would otherwise not exist...this is super helpful when trying to explain something to someone who is a visual person, or when you want to send a friend that perfect image of a fuzzy bee that looks cozy and happy, holding a balloon, for her birthday, and a Google search turns up nil. 😆🎈🐝
Two, it allows people with absolutely no artistic talent, like me, to use their other skills, such as imaginative writing, to create something beautiful and unique to them. I absolutely love descriptive writing, and AI art is a way for me to turn that into a vivid reality...to me, it's incredible, and the speed of it gets my creative juices flowing in ways I've never experienced, before.
@ChemicalBob posted: "I'm not sure what the difference is between AI and what we used to call PhotoShop."
PhotoShop is typically used to edit a real picture that was taken with a camera. 📸
This can be slight, or drastic, tweaking the color, playing with the light, adding or removing things. Here are some examples from Google:
AI art is generated by giving a program keywords.
There is no one photographer or photo...the program pulls from billions of them across the internet to form what it thinks you're asking for.
Here are some I made this morning, to give you examples...
I wrote: A white mother duck lovingly leans down to snuggle her small baby duckling while floating in a dreamy blue pond surrounded by soft ripples with a few cattails in the background in a watercolor style.
After quite a few tweaks, Meta AI generated this for me:
I wrote: A black and purple appaloosa horse trots through a forest with soft light filtering through the mossy trees, surrounded by vibrant ferns.
After a few tweaks, Meta AI generated this for me:
I wrote: Charcoal color drawing of a sweet, smiling red panda with happy eyes, surrounded by neon flowers.
After many tweaks, Meta AI generated this for me:
Now just for gits and shiggles, here are some of the bloopers... 🤪
I asked it to add a green fish beneath the surface of the water... 😱🤣
I asked it to show me a winter scene with a snowshoe hare, and a mountain bluebird in the background... 😐 Just wow.
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You’re not really doing anything? It’s wild that people think that typing words is the same as actually creating by hand a detailed image.
It’s like getting take out and claiming you made it at home.
I do some on nightcafe.com. they have an app, but you can use a web browser. there are things you can do to earn extra credits. I subbed for 2 months, and I still have credits.
@NikkiFM I understand why you and others feel like this. I also don't exactly consider it making, but building prompts that get you exactly the vibe you're looking for is really tricky. they often have extra appendages. knowing the names or artists or styles helps a lot. there is a degree of skill to understand how to write for ai which I know isn't the same as actually creating or making the art.
these are just a few that I came up with on nightcafe. I also have a few from another generator but I forget the name of it since I only used it once
I was hoping that technology would do most of the grunt work, and leave the art to humans.
But that’s because, even after all I know, I failed to take into account how cruel and stupid humans are.
So, we get to pick crops, and clerk stores, and maximize TS reports, and action item the ever-loving pork sausage out of meaningless jobs with our short lives, while AI makes “art”…
@CharlesGrove And meanwhile, people use AI to make pictures, cheat on homework, deny health care, and fire people.
It's time to create a real C3PO..a real one. But we will end up getting Terminator...(rise of the machines) ...and more robocops
The trouble with technology is that it enables humans to be even more human.
And humans are terrible.
@NikkiFM I write computer programs, I wrote a program with a database to randomize multiple variables to create random AI art, isn't that creativity, what about the people putting effort into learning how to write better prompts, I don't think traditional artists that you're referring to have a monopoly on creativity, I just think it's dismissive.
@CharlesGrove and if corporations were creating machines to take away jobs from people doing grunt work I'm sure you'd be upset they were taking away jobs and that everyone should live in a utopia funded by the wealthy.
@jmdank i remember using Apple LOGO to make simple patterns on the Apple 2e. I thought it was so cool like at the time I thought I was looking at the future of programming…awesome memories…loved those days
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Art? I want AI to clean my house.
If we lived in a utopia funded by the rich (because expecting the poor to be able to fund anything is silly), no one would care if robots and AI took over menial jobs.
And we all know how freely the rich share.
@jmdank I believe what you speak about is creativity as well. On your part. But not on the computers part, at least not in the same sense. The computer is still creating something, so even that is technically creative. But is is art? Is all creativity art?
I'm not here to say it is or isn't.
But I think what a lot of people are objecting to is that the humanity is being drained away. And to a lot of people, not everyone, art isn't just something that causes emotion in the experiencer. It's something that comes out of the genuine, honest emotions of the creator.
So the computer is not doing that. Not at all. And it feels different. Once AI becomes sentient, then I personally would be very interested in what it creates. Because it would be communicating with another species, kind of, like I would be interested in what a dolphin could paint.
But in your example, of creating a program that randomly creates art (I'm not explaining it as well as you did), it is creative. But is it art? To me it would be becuase it speaks to the world we live in and my experience of relating to technology.
But when you make it, are you trying to communicate a feeling beyond curiosity? I would say you probably are. Maybe it's joy. Maybe it's something else. I'd be into it. But it's not the same as someone who is sad and is directly painting a picture about sadness. And some people think art is like that. An artist is taking control and purposefully putting specific aspects of themselves into the work so that others can experience it. Directly.
Artist feels sad and paints sad picture is as direct as art gets. But over time art has become more and more indirect. Like the random images, or ai creations based on direct art. I think each person draws the line in a different place, of where art ends and it's just creation.
Ps, I'd be curious to see what you're program has made.
I still don't think the ai generators can replace traditional art or artists. thry can mimic, but the artist as a person can sit down to work on exactly the thing they wish to express and make. when you use ai, you aren't likely to be able to directly create that one specific inspiration unless you understand how to build better prompts and use a good engine. because mind you, there are both lots of engines and models, and the mixing of both determines the outcome. that's why even with the pieces I shared. you'll note how they're all different. no consistent style between them. but on nightcafe itself, there are artists who train their own models, and they have the best style consistency since they can also upload an image and just evolve and enhance and apply.a.short animation sequence.
@billiam I understand what you're saying, I've gone through depression in the past, thankfully it's much more rare now but when I was depressed I felt things more deeply, the depression made me hypersensitive and much more emotional than I normally am, I'd say normally I am very unempathetic and selfish, when I went through depression watching videos of others suffering or reading a poem moved me much more, often to tears but now that I'm not depressed anymore, I'm very apathetic towards it.
In regards to the art I create, I think you're right it's more curiosity, I like creating things, tinkering, but I don't have an end goal, I don't want to convey anything, I'm not trying to connect with others, I don't consider myself an artist I don't have that emotional side that great artists have, that I think is required, even though it's different I don't think it's less creative, just different.
If you're interested in the art I've created you can check out my midjourney profile @ https://www.midjourney.com/explore?user_id=88794780-18fc-463a-bc96-59adcd3962df
@jmdank Your collection is glorious. So varied and I love the ultra realistic photo-quality ones, especially.
Your language input is beautiful, and I enjoyed reading your prompts as much, if not more, than seeing what they generated. I would love to read the book about Lila. 🦎
@jmdank I echo @SunsetSnuggles You have some beautiful pieces there, and the prompts read like a novel, sort of. If a computer made this on its own, I would be less interested, even if they looked the same. Knowing you thought up the prompts makes me curious.... makes it worthwhile to me. I guess I have a need to connect with the creator....
I'm glad you're doing better. I went through a long phase like that myself. I made a lot of paintings and wrote a lot of poems back then
@SunsetSnuggles & @billiam Thank you, I appreciate your kind words!! I'm not sure if you're familiar with midjourney but I use a general theme then my program generates a list of prompts with both static and random variables, an example of random variables are the style reference, character reference, etc... I also created a database for artists that can be used as well, static variables would be the mode/speed the amount of processing power used, the version of the engine, the aspect ratio, things like that, some of the random and static variables are interchangeable as well, it's been a fun project to work on, this program gives the ability to generate unlimited (I currently have a cap on the limit to generate prompts set to 50 to prevent abuse) varied prompts in seconds, then I just copy and paste them into midjourney, sadly midjourney doesn't offer an API for it's program which would allow me to even skip the copy and paste part and send it directly to the program itself this is to prevent abuse of the program. If you want to check out the program the link to the website is mjig.online , to help others get ideas for prompts on the top left of the website there is a link called "Latest Prompts", this shows the last 1000 prompts I've generated, I've also recently created a database dump of all the prompts I've created for the last four months in text file form @ mjig.online/includes/prompts.txt Here's a pic of the website.
@jmdank ...Your profile says limousine driver, not programming genius. 🫨 Hot dang, sir.
@SunsetSnuggles Thank you!
@jmdank I've been thinking of getting into it, to help me with my work. If I could upload my style and use ai to help me do the grunt work, not the creative work.
I'd like to paintings and novel into a graphic novel, but it would take years and years. I thought maybe if the ai could do some of the grunt work I could do it. You know many of the old masters had apprentices who helped them paint their larger items.
@billiam Midjourney has a feature that would help with that called character reference, the flag for it is --cref , here is a link to read more about it. https://updates.midjourney.com/character-refs/