I wanted to come back to this discussion because, interestingly, some of the conversation elsewhere on the forum brought me back here and reminded me why I started this thread in the first place.
Reading through it again, I think there's something important that's gotten a little lost: This has never been an issue that only I have experienced or cared about.
There are Pros in this very discussion describing having their profiles copied, having their writing copied and pasted, reporting copied bios, and being frustrated that work they put significant time and effort into was reused by somebody else.
There are also people here who genuinely don't care very much about plagiarism. π Some clients have said it wouldn't affect whether they booked someone. Others have said authenticity matters to them. Some people think there's a meaningful distinction between copying logistical language and copying something personal. That's actually why I made the poll in the first place.
Those are all legitimate perspectives.
What I don't think is particularly fair is reducing concern about plagiarism to something uniquely I am doing, as though I'm inventing an issue because I'm overly territorial about common cuddle language.
I'm not.
In fact, when another Pro in this very thread described how frustrating it was to have people copy and paste portions of her profile after she had put significant time and effort into writing it, I agreed with her. I still do.
Another Pro here described having her bio copied almost word for word, reporting it, and CC requiring the other person to change it.
That's exactly the kind of thing I've been talking about.
And I want to emphasize again that I'm not talking about people independently using words like affection, comfort, connection, consent, movies, conversation, quiet time, or any of the other vocabulary that naturally comes with what we do. There is obviously going to be overlap in a community centered around the same activity.
I'm talking about the line where inspiration becomes using another person's actual writing as source material β whether that's copying it directly or closely rewriting distinctive material someone else created.
People can absolutely disagree about where that line falls. That's a genuinely interesting discussion, and apparently this thread proves we have a pretty wide range of opinions about it. π
What I'm not going to accept, however, is the idea that simply noticing it, being frustrated by it, or talking about it somehow makes someone grandiose, territorial, suspicious, or overly focused on other Pros.
Multiple people here have experienced it. Multiple people here have said it bothers them. Others have said it doesn't bother them at all.
Nobody has to adopt my standard for their own writing.
But I'm allowed to have one for mine.
And speaking about something that affects me doesn't become inappropriate simply because somebody else would react differently if it happened to them.
That's actually part of why I made my other post. If people struggle to find original things to say, I'd much rather share tools that help them discover their own personality, experiences, preferences, and voice than spend my time reporting copied material or arguing about it.
I genuinely want the constructive option.
I'd love for everybody here to have a profile and ads that are so specifically them that nobody else's writing would even work as a substitute.
And after rereading this discussion, I think that's where I land even more strongly: You don't have to care about plagiarism as much as I do. You don't have to agree with me every time I think something crosses the line. But concern about plagiarism isn't uniquely mine, and personally attacking me isn't going to make me pretend I don't care about it.
I'd much rather keep talking about how we create a community where everyone's voice actually sounds like their own. π
If I discovered a pro plagiarized anotherβs profile description, it would be an immediate deal-breakerβ¦.just as it would were they to use anotherβs photos. Pics are physical images; words are personality/soul images. Both greatly matter to me and determine whether I make initial contact
I am pretty sure that when I joined this site, I was overwhelmed by all of the information, rules, pricing, discounts, clothing criteria, etc. And also very impressed by many of the pros who came before me. And as a former HS teacher, where we were all pressed for time, we shared materials and resources with our colleagues.
Soooo I am embarrassed to say my first attempt at a profile involved some copy paste from a pro whose profile I admired that aligned with my own philosophies.
That pro immediately sent me a nasty-gram, threatened to report me, and let me know in no uncertain terms that I was not welcome to TAKE their words. I apologized and quickly set to making my profile my own. There are some great forum posts that give lots of helpful advise on writing a profile.
Since that time I have encountered other new pros who have copied my profile. I try to remember how it felt when I received a smackdown memo and I reach out with hopefully a mentoring tone to ask them to make their unique personalities shine through.
Since that time my profile has been through several iterations and I have learned more about using AI to help me write although I have not used the functionality where it can make me LESS verbose, clearly.
I can tell the (maybe 40%-usually the ones who end up booking) clients who read it though because there is one line that continually gets quoted back to meππ§Όπ«§
I think this is silly. There is only so many ways one can say: Behave. Fallow rules and voice whatever safety concerns you have.
Most women. You will find agree on basic needs, expectations and standards. So coping and pasting a profile, Not an issue for me. Lol you should be lucky. They have something written.
Most my messages are from empty profiles.. with very boring messages..
"Whats up" this one is annoying and not worthy of a response lol π
Or simply maybe thinking of writing gives her anxiety. Women.
Either way. Im impressed. Kudos to reading profiles. Most do not. Reading repeat questions and answers from a serial messenger should be the red flag your seeking lol
Good luck.
I was just answering the question.
Coming back to this discussion after some of the conversations that happened elsewhere recently, I actually wanted to thank everyone who contributed here β including the people who disagreed with me. π
Reading through these responses again is a really good reminder of why I asked the question in the first place: there genuinely isn't one universal opinion about this.
Some clients said plagiarism wouldn't particularly affect whether they booked someone. Others said authenticity matters to them, that they read profiles closely, or that copying would make a Pro seem less genuine. @ProfHermes said he has an issue when he notices plagiarism. @TxTom has actually alerted a Pro when he believed her bio had been copied. @Cuddlesofcuddle described having another Pro copy her bio almost word-for-word and CC requiring that person to change it.
And there were plenty of thoughtful responses in the middle β essentially, βIt depends what was copied and whether it actually misrepresents the person.β
I appreciate all of those perspectives. That's what makes a discussion useful. Nobody has to care about plagiarism as much as I do in order for me to be interested in why they see it differently.
I do want to point out one thing after some of the criticism I received elsewhere for continuing to talk about plagiarism, though.
This thread makes pretty clearly visible that concern about plagiarism on CC is not something unique to me.
In fact, one of the Pros who later criticized me for focusing too much on this subject had previously commented in this very discussion that other Pros had copied and pasted portions of her profile, and described how frustrating that was because of the time and effort she puts into her writing.
At the time, I agreed with her β and I still do.
That's why I found some of the later framing of my concern as though I were uniquely territorial, overly focused on other Pros, or making an issue out of something that shouldn't matter somewhat difficult to reconcile with this discussion.
We can absolutely disagree about whether a particular example crosses the line into plagiarism. We can disagree about how much copying matters, whether it affects booking decisions, or whether something is serious enough to report. Those are all fair disagreements.
What I don't think is particularly fair is treating the concern itself as unreasonable when multiple people here β including other Pros β have described experiencing the same thing and being frustrated by it.
And just to be clear, none of that means every similarity is plagiarism. I said in this thread originally that there is going to be natural overlap in an industry where everyone is talking about affection, comfort, connection, consent, cuddling, etc. I still believe that.
There's a difference between sharing vocabulary because we provide similar services and using another person's distinctive writing as source material.
Where exactly that line falls is something reasonable people can disagree about β which, ironically, is exactly what the 112 votes and all of these different responses demonstrate. π
So thank you genuinely to everyone who answered the question rather than assuming there was only one acceptable answer. This thread actually gave me a much more nuanced understanding of how clients and Pros think about profiles, authenticity, and originality, and I'm glad I asked it. π
@AngelNextDoor Yes. The shopping cart is a good theory and dance! I wouldn't mind reading a rabbit hole. I also think sometime between ages 19-21, many people lose accountability. As children, we're taught certain values and ethics and we cannot get by a week without missing homework or chores without consequences. Yet someone fresh out of high school or college might be late for an appointment and lie about the reason (or act like it's not wrong or a problem at all) or cheat in a relationship or lie/cheat about something else (an exam for a certification, cheating on a game, avoiding house work in a communal setting, etc.). At some point, only external forces dictate their adherence to rules and laws (otherwise their sense of entitlement or habit of entitlement shields them from any reflection of a broken rule).
@VitaminJ Thanks for sharing what you did when you first arrived here. That takes a lot of courage. Actually, before I met you I checked out your profile and remember being impressed about how coherent and succinct and deep your profile was. Cheers. π₯
For me it depends on what in the bio they copied and how much of there profile is a copy cat of another person's profile. If someone didn't know what to write and copied someone else because it sounds like them and what they are going for then I understand but you can tell when you message the person to set up a session if they are legit and real or if they just copied someone and are just on the site wasting peoples time and money
@CoachJMan19 I agree 1000%! Well said.
I owe an apology here and say appreciation.
Apology, because, when I saw this, and the other relevant posts to start with, I thought I should not be here because I am just an enthusiast πͺππ
Than, once I understood that the ALL Highly Caring Professional Cuddlers here are doing literally life saving jobs by emotionally supporting their clients in need of not only physical touch but soothing their souls as well, those Professional Cuddlers need to be able to demonstrate their personality properly, individually, so the potential clients in great need of their help able to choose the one/s whose personality suits them best.
I realised just how upset I d be if someone d plagerise my hard work in my on work life as well.
Most horrible feelings πͺ ever. Had chill go down my spine when that happened to me .
Thus, helping people to prevent thqt happen Must be inbthe forefront on CC forum bless you all hard working Professional Cuddlers, without you being and helping here, none of us enthusiasts could come for free here to have fun ib our free times πβ¨οΈπππ§Έπ«βΊοΈ
@OxytocinCuddles Aww, this was genuinely so lovely to read. π₯Ήπ And please don't feel like you owe anyone an apology! I actually really appreciate that you took the time to look at it from another perspective and understand why it matters to us.
You said it beautifully β our personalities really are such a huge part of what helps someone decide who they feel safe and comfortable connecting with. That's why protecting everyone's ability to show up here as themselves matters so much. π₯°
And enthusiasts absolutely belong here too! The different perspectives are part of what makes this a community in the first place. π§Έπ«π
I haven't read through the entire thread, so forgive me if I repeat someone else's thoughts.
In general, if a pro uses copy from an outside source, or uses AI to write her profile, it's not likely to matter to me (although if it's done by AI so heavily that the prose doesn't read like something a human wrote, I might find it off-putting).
But, if I notice that pro B has copied pro A's profile word for word, I most likely won't bother contacting her for a booking. I figure if pro B can't be bothered to write her own words, she may not put much effort into communication with me, meeting on time, etc.
@Jubal This is such an interesting perspective, especially coming from the client side! I think that distinction matters a lot too. Using tools to help you express your own thoughts is very different from taking another provider's words and presenting them as your own.
And I hadn't even considered the second part quite that way β that noticing copied profile text could make someone question how much care that provider might put into the actual booking experience. That's a really good point. Thank you for adding this! π
I think that copying and pasting someone else's profile word-for-word is worse than leaving one's profile blank.
We might not see it, and if we do see it how do we know who copied who? I wouldnβt want to see people do that, but I am not sure how detectable it is, especially if the two people are not in the same search area.
@Sunrise_Snuggle Honestly, I think I agree. A blank profile might leave me wondering who someone is, but a copied profile could actively make me think I know who they are when I'm actually reading someone else's personality and experiences.
I also think there's an important distinction between noticing similarities and actually accusing or reporting someone. I see things sometimes that make me go, βhmmm... that sounds familiarβ π β but unless it's blatant, I leave it alone. Similar ideas, phrases, structures, or even inspiration aren't enough for me.
My personal threshold for actually reporting something is pretty high. I'm talking word-for-word copying, or something so unusually specific that there's clear evidence of where it came from β like an ad being reproduced with superficial wording changes while retaining the same distinctive structure/details, especially when those details don't even make sense for the person using them. i.e. Their ad does not match their profile.
If it's ambiguous, that's where it ends for me. It might annoy me, but I'm not going to contact someone or report them based on a feeling. I usually even do a second-pass comparison specifically to challenge my own first impression before deciding whether something genuinely crosses that line.
I think that's important with this topic because there's a HUGE difference between βthis reminds me of something I wroteβ and βI can actually demonstrate that this was copied.β The latter is the threshold I'd want before someone's being accused of plagiarism.
@NeedAHugOrTwo79 That's actually one of the parts of this that I find really interesting! If you just stumble across two identical profiles, you may have absolutely no idea who wrote it first β and I definitely wouldn't want to see someone accused publicly based on that alone.
And you're right about different search areas too. Two people could theoretically have nearly identical profiles for ages without either one ever knowing.
I think that's part of why I find the topic worth discussing beyond any one individual situation. How would we recognize it, establish which came first when necessary, or even know how common it is if most of us are only regularly seeing the Pros in our own areas? π€
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