Client Agreement

[Deleted User]Unknown (deleted user)
in Pro Cuddling
I have a potential client that has informed me that none of his prior cuddlers have asked him to review and agree to the Client Agreement, as prompted beneath each cuddler-client message.

As it is only for both parties' sake it has been drawn up, I am really confused. Moderators? Any words? Also maybe an email blast to all regarding the virtues of the Client Agreement?
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  • [Deleted User]Unknown (deleted user)
     Hello and welcome! I would copy and paste it, make sure they have read it and agree to everything. And also if you have your own preferences or boundaries, also let this be known. If a person has trouble agreeing to that online while you're messaging back-and-forth I would be cautious. Maybe they just overlooked it?  

    :)
  • [Deleted User]Unknown (deleted user)
     Also… I am a professional cuddler just adding my two cents. If you are looking for @Mark  you can either tag him like I did in blue or send him a message through the site email. There are no "moderators" really,  except Mark is the owner and operator of the site.   The people here in the message boards are a mix between professionals, cuddle clients, cuddle curious and unpaid/non paying cuddlers.  


  • [Deleted User]navyvet76 (deleted user)
    Both parties need to communicate that they understand the rules of the site as well as anything that might be specific like for me never meeting anywhere the first time but in a well lit public area with people around
  • greenearth2greenearth2
    We should Try to keep to the topic.   Which is that she had a client who hasn't been asked to agree to the client contract before. 
    just tell the client the other pros are doing it wrong and are suppose to ask clients to agree to the contract at a minimum.   



  • [Deleted User]navyvet76 (deleted user)
    Client contract and pro contracts should be used to agree that they understand as well. Since it seems communicating seems to be lacking.
  • [Deleted User]Unknown (deleted user)
    The  way I read the agreement is when you use the service ( log in , send message to book session ) the client has agreed ( silently) to the client service agreement.

  • MarkMark Mod
    edited May 2017
    Not all pros actively ask the client for agreement but it is linked at the bottom of the message window and there is also a warning inside the message box saying they must agree before sending a message. 

    In the pro contract it is asked that you check with the client that they have read it before proceeding.
  • [Deleted User]navyvet76 (deleted user)
    As a client I want the pro to express that they understand what the agreement states because it seems on sites like this they don't often understand that. So I ask questions to make sure they agree.
  • [Deleted User]Unknown (deleted user)
    Thank you, everyone! I'll have to copy/paste on PC (won't let me on my phone), then see how the client responds. I did let him know he must have read it before when he signed up and should have no problem with it. :)
  • funandadventurefunandadventure
    Dear Star.
    Make sure you play safe, this seems wrong to me, all members know about the agreement and ( members) if you have not read it go and do it now. It is in plain English and set out the rules.
    If this client do's not want to read the rules you should refuse to meet and move onto someone else.
    If this client try's to bully you or put pressure in any way report him, @mark can see all correspondence he has sent and to whom, how it is worded and responses he got.
    Always meet in public on the first meeting and let a friend know where you are and who you are meeting.
    Love and peace, John and his trees.

  • MorpheusMorpheus
    I was hanging out with a pro this past weekend and she mentioned sending the agreement. I asked why she does that when the clients agrees to the contract just by contacting a pro. She said she doesn't see that on her end. Things may look different when sending a message from a pro or clients end and the other party may just not realize it. When we as clients message a pro, it does state we are agreeing to the contract just by contacting that pro FYI 
  • [Deleted User]Unknown (deleted user)
    @MrSoloDolo I guess the question would be, why would someone be so opposed to it? ::sigh::
  • snuggle554321snuggle554321
    From my experience they would be opposed to it because they don't want to have to follow it.  I agree with fun and adventure.  Someone who is so opposed to it probably is someone you should think twice about cuddling with.  I am also a professional cuddler on this site. If you have any questions feel free to PM me. HUGE HUG!!!! 
  • MorpheusMorpheus
    Is the question, the client opposed to the agreement itself? If so then pros should not see him.
  • greenearth2greenearth2
    Definitely agree there.  If someone balks at the client agreement they shouldn't be messaging pros anyway.  Let alone seeing one from here.  
  • [Deleted User]Unknown (deleted user)
    Thanks everyone! And @snuggle554321 for the PM-advice offer! :)
  • [Deleted User]navyvet76 (deleted user)
    It should be a given to agree with the client agreement but also clients need to do what they can to keep themselves safe as well. So if the pro dodges questions or takes forever to reply that is red flag to me that they are not in align with the client agreement or they might not even show up. Or worst yet the photo is fake and they are someone looking to rob you.
  • snuggle554321snuggle554321
    @Starlight My pleasure sweetheart!  If there's anything I can do to help, you just let me know! HUGE HUG!!!! 

    @navyvet76  While I COMPLETELY understand your desire to stay safe, I think your concerns are a little excessive. I can't see anyone on this site setting up a cuddle session with the intention of robbing someone.  First of all cuddling isn't like prostitution. It isn't illegal. So if that were to happen, the person should file a police report.  Second, that person should report that pro to Marc so that they can be banned. Third it wouldn't make sense for a pro to rob a client because they would automatically not get any more clients i.e. not make any more money. Hence defeating the purpose of becoming a pro. 

    In response to asking your questions, I first of all would like to ask what questions are you asking? I don't always respond at lightning speed to messages from clients/possible clients. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to show up or I'm not in agreement with them. Also, depending on how you word your question, the question could possibly be confusing to the pro which in response could  result in a longer period of time for them to try to understand what you were asking. Granted, this all depends on what you consider to be a "long time" and how you state the questions.  However, just like how a pro reiterating the rules of the contract in their profile, which in effect causes you to not want to hire them, a pro could consider your precautions to come off as a little paranoid, whether or not that is the case, and not want to take them on as a client.

    The reason why am saying all of this is because I'm hoping that my comments might give you a little peace of mind and make it a little easier for you to find people to cuddle with. However, you need to do whatever it takes in order for you to feel safe!!! I just REALLY hope that my comments might put you a little at ease.  
  • [Deleted User]Unknown (deleted user)
    @snuggle554321 Great response! And hugs back!! ~~~~
  • [Deleted User]navyvet76 (deleted user)
    My point is always use your brain and not be impulsive. No one on here is verified and had background checks take precautions. Please be safe and stay safe
  • [Deleted User]navyvet76 (deleted user)
    And though this is under the pro section, the idea of following the rules of this site should apply to all cuddling regardless. 
  • greenearth2greenearth2
    This post is about client agreements. 
    There is no client in a non pro situation.  

  • [Deleted User]navyvet76 (deleted user)
    greenearth you correct, but even in a nonpro meeting, there is an understanding and the same basic agreement applies.
  • MorpheusMorpheus
    I think there are actually more potential issues when cuddling non pros. 
  • [Deleted User]navyvet76 (deleted user)
    Which is why ensuring boundaries is key
  • [Deleted User]Unknown (deleted user)
    Amen, @navyvet76! Boundaries are important in all relationships, really, don't you think?
  • greenearth2greenearth2
    Starlight that's true. But you don't normally make someone read a formal client agreement lol.  


  • Emily414Emily414
    I think it's important to post the contract, any additional boundaries, and ask that the client agree to it in writing before the first meeting.

    Question that came up for me recently: if a client does not have good writing skills (e.g. lots of misspelling and poor grammar), any advice on how to ensure they really understand it? 
  • greenearth2greenearth2
    Emily if you have a communication problem with a client where you can't understand if they understand the contract I would avoid that client.  It's too risky 

  • [Deleted User]Unknown (deleted user)
    edited May 2017
    So someone of another national origin where English may not be their first language is "too risky"?  :/

     I hate to have to bring it back to reading comprehension, but @Emily414 you could ask a couple of questions to make sure they read it or that they agree (even if English may not be their first language or they have poor typing/grammar skills) a phone conversation could clear a lot of things up. I often FaceTime or have a lengthy conversation ahead of meeting. The one time I didn't was a big mistake, and we DID FaceTime and he had 5star karma from another professional.  

    Some people are not well educated, that also doesn't make them dangerous. 

    For me, having identifying information is key. Especially if they host, I let them know I will be letting at least two or three people know their address and my exact location. When I am arriving I text and check in, and when I expect to leave then text when I'm in my car again. If someone is going to commit a crime that wouldn't be ok for them for someone to have their address. That's (part of) my litmus test.

    Also, I never host. My home is mine and my children's sanctuary. I'd never bring a stranger (or man I don't know very very well) to my home. 

    For people who do host, always tell someone you will have a visitor in your home and the expected time will they arrive and when they are expected to leave. 
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