How to make it as a MALE professional cuddler

Yes, you can be a successful male cuddle professional if you are willing to put the effort in. In the long run, you might even be able to make a decent living out of it. Although if the money is your main motivation, this is probably not the place to be - much better if you are here because you care about people.

If you haven't registered as a professional on the site yet, do it now. Done? Good, now read on.

So, firstly, welcome to this world of cuddling, and congratulations on becoming a cuddle professional! You’ve made an amazing choice to bring more love and warmth and peace into the world, and you’re going to have an incredible time doing it. You will make powerful connections with women who are going to like and admire and respect you. You are looking forward to a fulfilling career that will bring happiness to many people ... including you.

This guide is the culmination of a wide range of experience and knowledge from these forums and elsewhere. For clarity it is written for a male professional in the USA who only or predominantly cuddles women, but the truth is that it applies equally anywhere in the world no matter what kind of cuddle professional you are or who you are cuddling. It has also been assumed that the covid pandemic has finished or at least been brought under control sufficiently for cuddling to continue as usual.

Note that this is not a get rich quick scheme. Nobody has ever earned $150,000 or anything like it in their first year as a cuddle professional and you won’t either. In fact, for the first few months you won’t earn much at all, so two things to remember straightaway. Keep the day job until you can afford to give it up; and persistence, persistence, persistence.

To put it another way, this is not going to be easy. The truth is, you probably don’t have what it takes to make it: most men don’t. It takes a pretty special guy to be a cuddle professional at all, and an extra special one to succeed. But that success really requires only three simple things. Unshakeable determination; a commitment to personal growth; and a true belief in the value of good old fashioned, honest, hard work. The more you put in, the more you will get out. Sure it’s a cliché, but it’s true. And you know it.

(If you’re not sure if all this is for you, well that’s ok. We are all different, we all have our own strengths. In this case, the best plan is simply to set up your profile and let it run for six to nine months and see if anything comes of it. If it does, well then you can use that baseline success to build a future. If it doesn’t, well, no harm done.)

Creating the Foundations

Let’s start with the basics. You’d be amazed how many people can’t even get those right. This guide assumes that you have set up a basic profile and have been accepted by the site as a professional. (If you try to sneak under the radar as an ‘unregistered professional’ you will be caught very quickly, the site is very good at this.) If you haven't done this yet, go to the bottom of the Home page and click on the link Become a professional cuddler.

A professional knows his business, that is part of what being a professional means. You’re new to this, so you have a great opportunity to expand your brain by getting up to speed on how to present yourself as a true cuddle professional. This will give you confidence, and give your potential clients confidence in you.

The first step to knowing your business is simple: read the Frequently Asked Questions thread at the top of the General Board. Don’t wait, go and do it now. It’s pretty long, so maybe break it down into two or three sessions.

Finished? Good. Now go read it again.

Finished the second time? Great job! Over the next few weeks, read this thread maybe once or twice a week. It has a huge amount of essential information, far too much to absorb in one or two readings. The real professionals know all of this stuff inside out: they don’t remember it, they know it. It runs through every cuddle interaction they have without them even thinking about it.

The good news is that you can get to this stage in just a couple of weeks by reading the thread frequently. Forwards, backwords, middle outwards - every which way you can. It is the life-blood of your business and therefore your success. If you get this right, in a matter of weeks people will perceive you as an experienced cuddle professional! And how cool would that be?

Cuddle Comfort has done an amazing job of helping you to bring the warmth of human touch and connection to women who need it. And be in no doubt, there are a lot of women in the world who lack physical touch. There is a myth that women can get cuddles easily, and it’s simply not true. Well it is true that most women can get touch from creeps and weirdos, but nobody wants that.

True, caring touch can only come from a man who genuinely cares about women, and knows how to care for people. Scattered all over the site you will find tips and advice on how to do that. Find them, find them all. Look at the links at the bottom of the homepage, read the sticky threads at the top of the forum boards, and just read great threads on the forum. Discover what works and what doesn’t. Discover how to avoid being perceived as creepy or weird. Discover what women really want from a real cuddle professional.

For example, there is some good advice in this thread.

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  • edited March 2021

    How To Write An Amazing Profile

    Photo

    Now let’s talk about your primary marketing channel: your profile. The first thing everybody sees is the profile photo, so make sure it’s a good one. Nice clear headshot. Of course it helps if you are tall or good looking, but it’s not actually that important. Just be an amazing example of your type: if you dress smart, be really smart. If you are grungy, be a great grunge.

    The other photos should show off your attributes. A great set consists of five to seven photos in total, including all of the following. One photo may cover more than one point:

    • Selfie
    • Not a selfie
    • Full body shot
    • Smiling
    • Looking windswept & interesting; or haughty & distant
    • Caring for another person or animal (e.g. petting a dog)
    • If you are hosting, your cuddling space

    Demonstrate a consistent style. For example, if you are a big guy and think of yourself as a big cuddly teddy bear, use shots from below and wear soft, cuddly clothes. If you are an athletic type, bring out your strength (but no naked rippling muscles, that is a major turn off for women seeking cuddles).

    Facts

    The Facts section of the profile is not a big deal. Just answer most of the questions and be totally honest and open.

    Pricing

    This is easy to start with – keep it low. You have no experience and no track record. It depends a little on the cost of living in your part of the country, but anything over $70 is fantasy. Don’t worry, this headline hourly rate is going to go up just as soon as ….. well read on to find out! Offer discounts for longer bookings.

    Text

    The most difficult part for most people is the profile text. This is the part where guys who don’t know what they are doing really struggle. Fortunately, this guide will tell exactly what to do. Simply by reading this far you have already proved yourself smarter than the average joe who tries (and fails) to become a cuddle professional!

    We’re going to do the easier bit first, although it’s placed at the bottom of the profile text. (We’ll get to the top part in a minute.) This is the technical section of the profile text, with one paragraph for each topic. Rewrite each paragraph several times until it is succinct. Get suitable friends or family to read the draft, and listen to their advice.

    Not everybody will have every one of these paragraphs, it depends entirely on your own circumstances, but if you don’t have the ones you need for you, you are certain to fail. I’ll say that again because it’s important. If you don’t do this right, you are certain to fail.

    Covid
    What are you personal circumstances, requirements, and so on. Many professionals do not offer in-person sessions at all. Others do, but require masks and/or handwashing. Check the legal requirements and guidelines in your area frequently – they change.

    Travel
    What areas do you cover? It is normal to charge travel expenses for longer journeys.

    Virtual cuddling
    If you do it, what is your style/approach, and what are your rates. Rates are usually a little more than half the headline rate.

    Deposit
    Do you require one? Normally no, but for longer bookings, higher expenses, or further travel, it’s an option that many professionals use.

    Payment options
    Cash on arrival is the base case but it’s up to you. Payment is always completed before cuddling starts. Always.

    Session options
    Some professionals offer massage, meditation or other activities as part of or as a bolt-on to cuddling sessions.

    Location
    Where you cuddle is up to you, but be clear. It’s common to use hotels, for which the client pays. Do not pay any hosting expenses yourself unless you have already received the money from the client. If you have a hosting space, mention practical matters like parking and have a photo of the bathroom ready to show prospective clients. If you need to be told to stock sanitary products for emergencies, you have some personal development to do.

    Clientele
    The site requirement is that cuddle professionals cuddle everybody - women, men and non-binary. However, this is seen as more of an ideal than a rule and in practice male professionals are not required to cuddle men. Other than that, any form of discrimination is not welcome in the cuddle community and will bring you very quickly to the attention of law enforcement.

    Mutual screening
    Some professionals require a brief (15 minute) video or phone call before the first session, so that the client and professional can get to know each other. This will also help identify any red flags. Instead, or as a second stage, some professionals like to meet their prospective clients in person, perhaps for coffee. This can be a separate occasion, or as a precusor to the actual session. Such screening sessions are not chargeable, and they give both parties the chance to walk away if they feel uncomfortable. Reasons for walking away should never be given, simply explain that you feel you are not compatible as cuddle partners. Every potential client has an absolute right to change their mind at the last minute without explanation. If you are going to be upset or offended by this you are in the wrong place.

    The Interesting Part About You
    Finally, the top part of your profile text. Most people find it slightly harder to write. This is where you discuss topics such as who you are; why you cuddle; your approach to cuddling; and relevant aspects of your background (e.g. experience in care work, talking therapies or other caring professions). This is the section where you must give a potential client a good reason to considering hiring you to cuddle them. You must convey to the client that you will keep them emotionally safe.

    Writing a good profile text is not a trivial task, but fortunately there is a short cut. Read the profiles of two or three dozen experienced, high quality professionals and identify the kinds of things they discuss. Make notes as you read through them. Look for themes, and consider how those themes relate to you. It’s not difficult to write a good profile text, it just takes a little effort.

  • edited March 2021

    Training

    Right, now you have read everything on the site and created a decent profile. Time for your training.

    Firstly, cuddle courses. There are a number of them out there, and you should complete at least one and preferably several.

    Training courses for cuddle professionals

    Secondly, running a business. How should you reply to an initial message from a client? How do you close the deal with a reluctant potential client? What are the laws around client data in your jurisdiction? If you have a client’s phone number in your phone, and you lose the phone, what should you do to protect the client, and protect yourself from liability? What about tax? The answers to these kinds of questions can be found all over the internet, there is no need to repeat them here. Invest modest amounts of money in courses or books that you need to complete your individual skill set.

    Thirdly, being a client. This is the best bit! Choose a well-rated cuddle professional, and book a session. Do not attempt to negotiate a discount as a fellow-professional – you aren’t one yet. Be open about who are you, and behave as a normal client. You need to see this process from the client’s perspective. It is essential that you make the booking through the site. Cuddle Comfort have done the work, they deserve to get paid. And if you want to be a cuddle professional yourself, you need them.

    That was nice, wasn’t it?

    Now book a session with a different professional. This time, although you are still the client, think about it from the professional’s perspective. What did they do well, what could you do better? It’s not quite the same given the different gender dynamics, but it’s the best you can do.

    Go back to one of them again for another session. The more sessions with the more professionals you can have the better, but you need at least three sessions altogether with at least two different professionals.

    Thoughtfulness

    Professional cuddling is a very serious matter. During the session, you are completely responsible for the physical and emotional wellbeing of another human being. That human being is almost certainly vulnerable in some way, since they have sought a cuddle professional. At the very least they are likely to be lonely.

    As you have taken the decision to become a professional cuddler, you have probably already considered the kind of questions given below. These are just a few of the most obvious examples - there are a million such questions and nobody knows the answer to all of them. The key point is, are you ready, willing and able to cope with whatever might happen during a cuddle session? Do you have the skills you will need in a medical or emotional emergency?

    How do oxytocin, serotonin, dopamine, norepinephrine and australopithecine relate to professional cuddling?
    What would you do if a client had an epileptic fit or heart attack? What is the correct procedure if a client goes into anaphylactic shock?
    What would you do if a client cried without speaking for the entire session?
    What would you say if a client disclosed that she had previously been raped?
    What would you say if the client reported that the last time she touched a human being was eight years ago?
    What are the different methods for affixing wigs to the head, and which of them are most likely to fail during a cuddle?
    What would you say if a client offered you oral sex? Or asked for it?
    What will you do if you attempt to terminate your relationship with an over-attached client and they threaten to kill themselves if you do?

    And that’s it. You are now ready for your first client! Much easier than you thought, huh?

    Marketing

    But how to get that elusive first client? Again, it’s a standard business question and the internet is full of answers. Don’t assume she will come directly from Cuddle Comfort - highly successful small businesses typically have 15-20 marketing channels, and Cuddle Comfort is just one. In fact it’s very unlikely that cuddling websites alone will provide enough clients. You will need social media, local news media, community advertising, perhaps some form of infomercial .... but the most powerful channel of all is word of mouth. Tell every person you meet that you are a professional cuddler and explain the benefits of cuddling. Ask them to refer you to anybody they know who might benefit.

    It is acceptable to approach potential customers on Cuddle Comfort. However, be very cautious because you only get one chance. Your message should be respectful, friendly, brief, convey something of value to the person, and be written in a spirit of community. Remember that Cuddle Comfort is a social networking site. Remember also that no reply is itself a reply: it means, please do not message me again.

    How about the nearly-as-elusive second client? Well, Karma helps. You can (and should) ask people nicely if they would write Karma for you, but remember that they have an absolute right to say no without explanation. Karma relies on honesty, so whatever they write must give a true and fair view. If you are writing Karma for somebody else, be kind. Karma may not be ‘traded’: whether you write Karma for somebody is not connected to whether they write it for you.

    Creating a presence in the forum and building Friendships can be helpful. Many prospective clients read somebody’s forum posts before deciding whether to cuddle with them. You already know how to find all posts from a user, because you have read the FAQ.

    Once you have perhaps half a dozen Karma ratings, put your rate up by $5 or $10. Grandfather in your existing clients at their original rate, at least for a couple of sessions. Once you have three or four regular clients, put it up again. (Ditto.) Every time a new marketing channel comes up trumps, give it a couple of months to settle in then put your rate up.

    Over the course of perhaps a year, drift your rate up to where you’d like it to be. Note that any effort to get past about $120 is unlikely to succeed unless you are have marketing channels that specifically target higher-income groups.

    Nobody can cuddle effectively for more than 20-25 hours per week, it’s too emotionally demanding. If you attempt to do more than that, the quality will suffer and your clients will notice. Also you will become exhausted. However, cuddling is only half the work. With travel, business administration and handling client communications, it will add up to a full time job.

    The Bottom Line

    Cuddling is an incredibly rewarding career. There is a vast untapped market of touch-deprived women who need all the benefits that cuddling brings. You have the chance to bring happiness into the world, while bringing happiness, fulfilment and an above-average income into your own life. Bringing all these things together requires a special kind of man. Are you him? Would you like to be?

    It’s up to you. Good luck!

  • Constructive comments please, and I'll edit. Your 24 hours starts now!

  • I may as well add to this that if this is directed towards male cuddling, if they aren’t willing to cuddle men, no matter how amazing they are or how established they are, they most likely won’t even make $100 in a month. I’m sure that there are women out there that would pay to cuddle an established, well-respected experienced male cuddler but it’s so far and few between that male cuddlers just won’t make a profit. Period. Especially since they pay monthly as opposed to female cuddlers that pay a percentage from every single cuddle.

    As amazing and informative as this thread is, it won’t matter to a male cuddler who won’t cuddle men as well. If anything, I’d say change the title of the thread to mean cuddlers in general and sticky this so beginners pros of any gender can learn from it. But for men becoming a pro cuddler, it still won’t help them. They have to be willing to cuddle men as well. It would be even better for them if they truly enjoy the cuddle too. If they just agree to cuddle a guy for money but it’s not something they want to do, don’t be a pro. If your heart isn’t in it, most of your cuddlers can feel that vibe. Your cuddlers want to feel accepted and cares for but if you’re struggling to make this cuddler feel good but deep down you’re uncomfortable and wish they were a woman, don’t be a pro. Become a male pro because it’s something you truly want to do. Become a male pro because you want every gender that comes to you feel that affection and acceptance they truly want and need.

    If a male is reading this that is thinking of becoming a pro, the advice that @CuddleDuncan provided is incredibly helpful, but you won’t make a dime of you aren’t willing to be open enough in cuddling all genders. Period.

  • edited March 2021

    A professional on this site is only accessible to a client once they sign up and register . Any client with internet access has access to a pro cuddler on another site where you don’t have to register , and some clients want it that way . This website also has a mixture of enthusiast and pros it probably makes the client wonder if they are in fact getting a pro or a paid enthusiast .
    To boot ... male pros on this site oay mandatory monthly profile fee anyway , so why not just pay that fee in the other site and you are accessible to a world wide oooulation ( which includes the cuddle comfort community)as opposed to just the smaller cuddle comfort community ,

  • I think @Sheena123 has a great point. I would add that if you are enthusiastic about providing the benefits of cuddling for all genders, you'll probably attract more of all genders. Become skilled at understanding and providing safe, nurturing cuddles men or other genders that are not cis-women. Then market those specific skills.

    As a woman, I would see that as increasing the credibility of that professional, knowing that it is about the cuddling experience, not about the personal satisfaction that they get out of cuddling with a woman.

  • I think its just the simple fact women have it easier cuz, lets face it, men arent as trustworthy

  • @CuddleDuncan you clearly put a lot of time into this. Thanks for that contribution to this community.

    However... as far as I can tell you are giving a lot of advice on something you personally have never done. Someone who’s never done a given job has no business telling others how to do it. Also, it’s obviously highly misleading to say male pros could make $150,000. Has any male pro ever made that much from cuddling? Or even a third of that? Actually, I’d be mildly surprised if any male pro on this site had made even $15,000 in a year from cuddling.

    For that matter, how many female pros even make that much?

    Given that, it’s pretty deceptive to make these big claims about how much male pros can make.

  • edited April 2021

    @CuddleWho

    you clearly put a lot of time into this

    I did, thank you. I want to do my bit to create a proper cuddling industry. I also wanted to a post to refer to every time we get a "I'm a male professional who created a profile with 3 lines of text a week ago and my door hasn't been beaten down by women wanting to cuddle me" post.

    Someone who’s never done a given job has no business telling others how to do it.

    I cordially disagree. Having done a thing doesn't make you qualified to teach it, and not having done a thing doesn't disqualify you. However, you are right that if you haven't done a thing you should be cautious, and I put off writing the post for several months for precisely that reason.

    Professional cuddling is something I have thought about a great deal, and it is topic on these forums upon which I take an interest. I made it clear in the post that this is only the basics, the mechanics. Many women professional cuddlers have solicited my advice and taken it, and I have had conversations with women enthusiasts about what they would look for in a male professional. I'm not a professional myself, but I didn't approach this from a vacuum. In fact now you come to mention it I've been thinking and talking about this for over two years.

    It's not misleading to say a male professional could make that amount - you definitely could. It's just very difficult and intensely unlikely. I thought carefully about the sum and did calculations to figure out what I should use. (25 hours x 50 weeks x $120) I wanted to put the highest possible number that could conceivably be justified, in order to attract potential male proessionals to read the thread. (It's a pretty clickbaity title.) And I did say, Nobody has ever earned $150,000 or anything like it in their first year as a cuddle professional and you won’t either. In fact, for the first few months you won’t earn much at all

    I'm confident nobody has ever made that much from cuddling. I'd be surprised if any male professional has made more than $1,500 in a year, never mind $15,000. But that's not because you couldn't - it's because nobody has seriously tried. Seriously trying doesn't mean doing a training course, it means writing one that gains accreditation from reputable third party bodies. It doesn't mean creating a profile on here and one or two other places, it means obtaining repeated exposure on national media. It doesn't mean putting a card on the fitness centre notice board, it means investing enough capital to pay an accountant, a company secretary, a lawyer, a web designer and an marketing consultant for the first two years. Do all that, and do it right, and you'll have a real shot at grossing $150,000 if you are the right sort of person and you are in California and there is no pandemic. Or earthquake.

  • I also thank you for writing this, but I find the heteronormativity offensive. You say “caring touch can only come from a man who genuinely cares about women.” Luckily for me, the caring touch I’ve received from both my mother and father, male lovers, masseurs, and husband tells me that isn’t true!

    You say:

    The site requirement is that cuddle professionals cuddle everybody - women, men and non-binary. However, this is seen as more of an ideal than a rule and in practice male professionals are not required to cuddle men.

    🤦🏻‍♂️ OMG SMH. Not only did you flout a tenet of professional cuddling and the rules of this site; you assumed the men reading this were heterosexual and didn’t want to cuddle men.

    Most of your other points were valid, and I will take them into consideration. I just felt I had to speak up as a man who is happy to cuddle people of all genders.

  • @nurturingman I'm really sorry you are upset, and thank you for telling me. I did think about these questions when writing the first draft, but I decided to go for a heterosexual approach because I was writing specifically for the trickle of straight men who turn up on Cuddle Comfort wanting to be professionals who cuddle women. I did write this disclaimer near the start:

    For clarity it is written for a male professional in the USA who only or predominantly cuddles women, but the truth is that it applies equally anywhere in the world no matter what kind of cuddle professional you are or who you are cuddling.

    To address your specific points:

    caring touch can only come from a man who genuinely cares about women.

    What you said is so obviously true that it doesn't require repetition. In this case my writing seems to have been unclear. The meaning I was trying to convey was "Caring touch of a woman by a man can come only from a man who actually cares about women, and not the kind of man who regards women as objects to be enjoyed."

    As for the requirement for professionals to cuddle all genders being more of an ideal than a strictly-enforced rule, I didn't quote a reference but the management of the site has made statements to this effect more than once. I am very much in favour of the ideal. (Note that there are women professionals who do not cuddle women.)

    I would like to edit my original post in the light of your comments but unfortunately it's been more than the alloted 24 hours.

  • @nurturingman I see what you’re saying. I’m just going to mention that I think he’s saying that because the majority of males who become pros are heterosexual and keep saying they refuse to cuddle men. They become pros and complain that women aren’t booking them. People jump in and advise them to open up to cuddling men and some of these guys say no way to it. It’s a hard truth that it’s mostly men that are paying for cuddles on this site. When I say mostly, I’m not excluding any other parties. I’m merely saying majority. Which is the same thing I think @CuddleDuncan is getting at. He wasn’t assuming the men reading this were heterosexual. He was making this as a notice to the majority. Unfortunately there aren’t a lot of male cuddlers right now because there isn’t a huge market for it and there certainly aren’t a lot of homosexual male pros. You are far and few between so the majority of his message was directed at the heterosexual men that become pros, exclusively cuddle women and complain they aren’t getting bookings.

  • Thanks for your response, @CuddleDuncan. I'm sorry to say I overlooked the disclaimer you wrote. I do see how such an article needs to be written for the majority; I just wanted to speak for the minority. I understand that you can't edit your post after 24 hours, and I appreciate your wishing to revise it.

  • @nurturingman

    I just wanted to speak for the minority.

    And quite right, too.

    Let us not lose sight of why I wrote it in the first place, which is because I wish there were more people like you: caring and thoughtful and willing to cuddle everybody, as opposed to entitled and restrictive in both thought and practice.

    Thank you, @Sheena123! 😘

  • edited May 2021

    @CuddleDuncan Great post thanks! I've been considering attempting this and pretty much ready to begin the journey of trying this, this has given a lot of food for thought thank you. I'm kind of stuck in the middle of nowhere in the countryside which is a bit of a big barrier, though about an hour from central London, but I am considering my options. My first forum post =)

  • Welcome, @someonesouth! Being in the middle of nowhere really isn't going to help. However, Captain Scott wanted to go to the South Pole when we didn't even know if there was a South Pole, and he had to walk on ice and snow all the way from the edge of a continent to the middle and back again. And he decided that doing all that wasn't tricky enough, so he physically dragged geological samples i.e. rocks back with him.

    Now, yes, it is true that he did die. 🙄 But cuddling really isn't that dangerous. 😁

    Petersfield .... that's ok, you've got Southampton and even Bournemouth not that far. And HMS Queen Elizabeth just sailed, so before you even start there are a couple of thousand lonely women in Portsmouth.....

    Good luck!

  • Thank you @CuddleDuncan ! Haha, thank you for the analogy and comedy there. It's all good points. Good luck for you too. These posts all help increase awareness and the world of professional cuddling and maybe cuddling in general, so more people out there can experience the benefits of this. I'm always surprised that more people aren't as passionate about all this as we are! Thanks again =)

  • edited July 2021

    In the original post I mentioned marketing channels without giving details. Off the top of my head the kind of thing I meant:

    Social media
    Local information/notice boards (libraries, shop windows)
    Local media (editorial)
    Word of mouth (properly organised, with propaganda, etc)
    Website (with video)
    Email marketing
    Content marketing
    Local lecture circuit (certain types of society need people to give talks or demonstrations)
    Joint ventures with related industries to create cross-referrals
    'Free hugs' on the street

    Local media (advertising, which helps with getting editorial coverage)
    Pay Per Click
    Direct Mail
    Leafleting
    Gumtree, Craigslist, etc

    DO NOT do any of these until you can describe your target client is some detail. Where do they live, how old are they, what kind of job do they do, do they have children, single or attached, etc.

    Do not try to do all of these at once. Choose one or two to start with, and do them right.

    Your CC profile page gives your headline rate. Pitch it a whisker above what you really think is right for you, and give practically everybody a discount. People like discounts.

  • [Deleted User]Pygmalion1117 (deleted user)

    I am confused why on this site there are women cuddlers of two sorts: some are designated "pros" and a great many (the majority) are not pros. But @CuddleDuncan 's essay said that a male cuddler must be a pro; indeed, I don't see any way to apply to be a cuddler without also being a pro. Am I missing something, or is there a double-standard where being a pro is optional for women cuddlers but mandatory for males? Thank you

  • @Pygmalion1117 this thread isn’t saying a male HAS to apply to be a pro. This thread is a useful tool for males who WANT to apply to be a pro cuddler. It’s not mandatory at all…

  • @Pygmalion1117 there are three types of people here. Enthusiasts, Professionals and Clients. An individual person may fall into more than one category: for example I am both an enthusiast and and a client.

    Accounts of professionals are designated as such.

    All genders are very welcome to participate in any category.

    Don't worry, it takes everybody a little while to figure out how this place works! Read the Frequently Asked Questions thread on the General board, it's very helpful.

  • [Deleted User]CharlesThePoet (deleted user)

    Does the site make any professional metrics available?

    That is, things like:

    Number of men paying the “professional” fee vs number of male professionals booking client appointments?

    Or average number of client hours booked per professional? Male, female, and combined?

  • edited July 2021

    @CharlesThePoet I've never seen anything like that. Some of that stuff would be commercially sensitive information.

  • [Deleted User]CharlesThePoet (deleted user)

    @CuddleDuncan

    Of course.

    I would guess that if those statistics were made available the number of male professionals would decrease to an effective zero overnight.

    I understand why Cuddle Comfort uses the “entry barrier” method for charging male professionals.

    But that method is a huge warning sign for any male thinking of going professional.

  • edited August 2021

    Massage is licensed in most states. It would be illegal to offer massage during a professional cuddling session if one is not a licensed massage therapist and it would be outside of one’s scope of practice to offer cuddling during a massage session if one is a licensed massage therapist, it would be grounds for losing one’s license.

    If a pro wanted to offer stroking someone’s head or back during a session, that would be okay, but offering massage in a regulated state would not.

    Regarding contacting potential clients on this site: I’ve occasionally received a message from someone that sounded like an initial message from an enthusiast. When I went to respond, I found out they were a professional and responding to them would, in effect, be a request to book an appointment. I felt confused about whether I should respond or not i.e. if they asked a seemingly friendly question that invited a response and think this was a bit deceptive. I would suggest pros make it clear that they are a pro in their initial contact rather than hiding that information, asking a question that invites an answer, and then leaving the recipient confused.

  • @Babichev It might be the “Request to Book“ button that’s deceptive, not the pro who sends a friendly message. Clicking Request to Book does not obligate you to book. It’s a misleading button label. I guess it was designed to impress upon people that the reason to message a pro is to inquire about their services, since pros (female pros, anyway) get so many messages and they don’t have time to waste on people who aren’t serious.

    Personally, I put on my profile “You may click Request to Book to inquire about cuddling with me or even just to say hello with no obligation to book a session.” If someone visits my profile and I have any reason to believe they might be interested in my services or that they might just want to converse, I send them something like this:

    Hi, [name or username]! Thanks for visiting my profile. If you have any questions or anything you wanted to say, please feel free to use the "Request to Book" button just to open a line of communication. Don’t worry— it doesn't obligate you to book a session with me. Even if you don’t message me back, I just wanted to say hi and thanks for the visit. Have a nice day. 😊

    BTW, I agree with @CharlesThePoet that it would be good to know the statistics on make pros, but also that those data would probably lead many men to avoid signing up for pro accounts. I’m going to give it a few more months at least and see if promoting my business pays off. So far it hasn’t, but I’ll keep trying — at least for a while.

  • Thank you for the explanation regarding the button. If pros would state that, it would avoid confusion.

  • edited August 2021

    I question whether this post is helping the cuddling profession and its clientele or this website. There is a call to action — sign up for a pro account now! — before even telling men how to make it as pros.

    Personally I don’t believe it benefits the cuddling profession and its clientele for this site to allow men to go against two of the requirements of being a pro, and then to have a stickied post directed specifically to those men. Two of the requirements to be a pro on this site are:

    I have read @Mark ’s rationale for allowing men to bypass these requirements:

    It's worth considering that female pros will sometimes limit their services to other females in order to feel more safe while they tentatively enter this industry and learn what this profession really involves.

    There are likely other innocent reasons for certain gender preferences too. It's just not worthwhile to be banning these people. They are really just harming their own business prospects as they won't show in most searches.

    While we do ask that pros only apply if they accept all genders, it's primarily to encourage the most suitable candidates. So yes, like some other behavioral site aspects, this one falls into the 'default non-enforcement' category. And like others in this category (e.g. late cancellations, no shows), we do still reserve the right to enforce on a case-by-case basis. (Source: https://www.cuddlecomfort.com/forum/discussion/6914/are-pros-informed-when-applying-that-we-must-accept-all-genders)

    And also:

    Yes, it's different for male pros. It's not a good use of resources to manage the quality and approvals for them. There's so little demand and many of them are just trying it out for 1-2 months and leaving. So we give them a pathway to do that, add a payment barrier which helps filter out some of the frivolous registrations and then leave them to it.

    In regards to cuddling all genders, that is more about putting forward our expectations at the application stage rather than being an actual rule. Overall it's considered a negative but we typically do not take punitive action based on that alone. (Source: https://www.cuddlecomfort.com/forum/discussion/8778/requirements-for-cuddle-pros)

    I’m not convinced that this laissez faire policy exemption is good for this site or the cuddling profession; in fact, I believe it encourages men who may wish to become pros for the wrong reasons, it can be damaging to the safety of female pros, it can be harmful to female clients, and ultimately is not helpful to men who think they can make money and find out they cannot.

    I feel the same way about this post. I think it’s inadvisable to call men to action to become pros before they’ve even read the article and become qualified, or at least informed.

    I think it bears repeating that this post was not written by a male pro, much less one who has a successful practice. I think it’s very telling that no male pro has published an evidence-based article describing his own success. The writer of this article — who I have nothing against personally — claims that “This guide is the culmination of a wide range of experience and knowledge from these forums and elsewhere,” but it is neither written by multiple credible authorities (i.e., several successful male pros) nor peer-reviewed by them (i.e., read by other successful male pros and agreed to).

    As I and others have said, there is good advice here about becoming a professional and marketing one’s services. But these are marketing tips that apply to anyone selling anything. Anyone who knows about marketing could write this article or market one’s services without reading this article. There are some good tips on creating a compelling profile in this site, but again they could apply to anyone.

    I can testify from personal experience that a man can feel a vocation to cuddle people to aid in their healing, learn from people on this site for several months, hire pros, have several excellent karma reviews on this site, complete a training program, and become certified before even changing his account to pro on this site; he can attend a cuddle summit, attend Cuddle Parties, learn from videos of professional cuddlers, live in the fifth largest city in the US, be the only certified cuddler in his state, blog about cuddling, publicize his services on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn, be active in this forum… and still get no work. And I have done all this worldwide publicity at the risk of damaging my reputation as a professional in another field.

    What we need is not more male pros; what we need is more clients who hire male pros. In a world of men and women who are afraid to cuddle with men, and men (and, rarely, women) who want to cuddle with men for the wrong reason (i.e., sex), it is hard for a male pro to even get inquiries much less clients who pass screening.

    I’m sure some will dismiss me as a sore loser, but at least I speak from experience as a guy who has tried many of the things suggested by the OP. Yes, I know he admitted it might take a few months, but he also admitted in a subsequent reply:

    Seriously trying doesn't mean doing a training course, it means writing one that gains accreditation from reputable third party bodies It doesn't mean creating a profile on here and one or two other places, it means obtaining repeated exposure on national media. It doesn't mean putting a card on the fitness centre notice board, it means investing enough capital to pay an accountant, a company secretary, a lawyer, a web designer and an marketing consultant for the first two years. Do all that, and do it right, and you'll have a real shot at grossing $150,000 if you are the right sort of person and you are in California and there is no pandemic. Or earthquake.

    I don’t think I’ll be doing all that, but I will seriously try to make it as a professional cuddler, and if and when I do, I might just be the first male pro to share his success story.

  • OMG!! @nurturingman ~ I just adore you and all you put into this post!!

    Seriously, I've been sitting on a very similar comment related to @Mark 's response/POV and agree with your concerns, "I believe it encourages men who may wish to become pros for the wrong reasons, it can be damaging to the safety of female pros, it can be harmful to female clients..." Though my assertions go further and include examples of specific harm that may come. One day I hope to finish and post it/send it to him.

    Additionally, I find this thread being "stickied" says the site is backing a premise posed by one who is speaking from a place of conjecture masquerading as first hand knowledge that is fact based. I don't have anything against the OP either, but some of his posts are red-flaggy for me in feeling (I often can't put my finger on what specifically bothered me, but the feeling of unease is still there).

    I look forward to you being, "the first male pro to share his success story" and hope you'll release an audio book version for us non-reader types to enjoy too!!
    💓🎙📻

  • edited August 2021

    I thought it was nice to see some supportive male pro content. There's no meaning beyond that on my part.

    I've unstickied this thread now.

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