I'm not sure if you're being serious or not. A 65 year old man is a pervert for spying on an 18 year old undressing, even if they never have sex. Anybody at any age is a pervert spying on anybody undressing.
I'm not sure if you're being serious or not. A 65 year old man is a pervert for spying on an 18 year old undressing, even if they never have sex.
Anybody at any age is a pervert spying on anybody undressing.
I'm pretty sure voyeurism is like, one of the most common sexual fetishes somewhere down the list. Maybe like #6. I think you misunderstood DW's comment. They were telling you, "uh... yeah, that's voyeurism, man...not a good example".
@rj88
Thanks, brother.
I was eighteen. I was young and naive. I'd spent the day shaking my rattles, chewing on whatever I could jam in my mouth, and having butt disasters in my pants. I had my mom check my Cuddle Comfort, and hey! An older gent wanted to cuddle me. So I cried until my mom dropped me off at his place. I wore my favorite hat—it had a spinner on top of it, and my Power Ranger shoes lit up as I waddled to the man's door. I knocked on it with my tiny, squishy fist, and out popped the friendliest-looking old man I'd ever seen. He said "Hello" took my sippy cup full of apple juice, and ushered me inside to his filth palace.
Have you ever read 120 Days of Sodom? You might have some idea of what happened to me that day. I hope that you don't.
@rj88: Yeah, if sex is involved. Does the peeper have sex on the brain? Are they getting sexual pleasure out of it? Then sex is involved.
So this isn't an example of perversion that doesn't involve sex.
Is the guy a doctor, or a concerned individual discreetly checking for signs of extreme physical abuse, or—? Because otherwise it seems like he'd have sex on the brain. In which case, you know... sex is involved.
Doctors take an oath.
Are you talking about physical sex or sexual thoughts?
@rj88:
Both involve sex. So both. Obviously.
Thanks, @Catloaf! Yes, I was saying exactly that.
@rj88 ~ You okay?? Sheesh buddy. I
I'm doing well. What about yourself?
The point is we're all allowed to come on here and speak our truth.
Of course. I'm speaking my mind and others are doing the same.
** are not good methods for getting others to validate your view, let alone agree with it.**
I don't need anybody to validate my views and I don't care if anybody agrees with me.
I thought you left? But voyeurism doesn't always equal sexual thoughts.
Also @rj88 ~ To quote another on this thread... "...remember your moral compass isn't everyone else's..." And "...Don't tell me how to act..."
**@rj88: Yeah, if sex is involved. Does the peeper have sex on the brain? Are they getting sexual pleasure out of it? Then sex is involved.
So this isn't an example of perversion that doesn't involve sex.**
I can see woman in bikinis and not have sexual thoughts. I have lived with 2 woman before and I accidentally saw them undress and vice versa. We were both embarrassed, but we laughed about it. I didn't think about sex just because I saw my roommate take off her shirt. That's because I'm not a pervert.
@Catloaf
It's called being confident. You should try it some time.
@rj88 says,
I have lived with 2 woman before and I accidentally saw them undress and vice versa. We were both embarrassed, but we laughed about it.
Is this an example of perversion that doesn't involve sex?
Or are you not a pervert for looking at undressing women and undressing in front of them because sex wasn't in your thoughts (and you would be a pervert if it had been)?
**Is this an example of perversion that doesn't involve sex?
Or are you not a pervert for looking at undressing women because sex wasn't in your thoughts (and you would be if it had been)?**
I am not sure if you know this, but it's a myth that men think about sex all the time. If I see an attractive woman, my first though isn't sex. Just like with my roommate. I accidentally saw her in her bra. I didn't think about sex.
I am not sure exactly what you're asking, but no I'm not a peeping tom and would never do that.
@rj88: I'll simplify.
You looked at undressing women, but didn't think about sex.
Is this perversion that doesn't involve sex?
**@rj88: I'll simplify.
Is this perversion that doesn't involve sex?**
Well I wasn't a pervert for accidentally seeing them, but sexual thoughts didn't enter my mind.
Not everything is about sex.
Oh... My bad...
@rj88 ~ When you wrote. "You're not getting it." and, "It's sad I have to keep explaining this." I took those to mean you were looking for some validation or agreement...
Thanks for clarifying. Take care.
@rj88: Why are you not a pervert for looking at undressing women?
Is it because sex wasn't involved—because sexual thoughts didn't enter your mind?
Dude, nobody is going to argue with you on whether or not society would find it creepy. But I think you're preaching to the wrong crowd, really. You're projecting. Totally projecting. Your reality is not everyone else's, as I mentioned before. Meanwhile, many others on this website who have snuggled people much younger than them might have a viewpoint that reads like this:
I can see woman in bikinis share close physical space or cuddle with someone and not have sexual thoughts. I have lived cuddled with 2 woman girls who were much younger than me before and I accidentally saw them undress became aroused and vice versa refocused my mind. We were both embarrassed, but we laughed about it. I didn't think about sex just because I saw my roommate take off her shirt it's normal for society to sexualise young women and young women who have just turned the legal age to drink (or consent to sex in many countries and states). That's because I'm not a pervert I understand that I'm responsible for handling my arousal and I understand cuddling is not a sexual activity.
Sadly you won't hear about those stories too often because for one thing not everyone uses the forums and for another, because of all the creeps that are out there.
I think you just need to let this go. So, you've communicated you think it's creepy. Do you want a cookie, or the rest of the lasagna in the fridge? The funniest part is, you keep making contradictory, polarising statements. "There's a myth that men think about sex all the time" and then in the same paragraph implying that most older men are dogs and it's perverted if they come into physical contact with a young person.
@quixotic_life
You're welcome. Have a great night.
I had 2 female roommates in an apartment. One of roommates thought I left, but I had to go back to get something. She was taking off her shirt in the living room because she thought she was alone. I saw her in her bra on accident.
@rj88: So if it's an accident, it's not perverted?
Hmm. What if it's an accident, but sexual thoughts do enter your mind? Is it perverted then?
Dude, nobody is going to argue with you on whether or not society would find it creepy. But I think you're preaching to the wrong crowd, really. You're projecting. Totally projecting. Your reality is not everyone else's, as I mentioned before. Meanwhile, many others on this website who have snuggled people much younger than them might read like this:
Cool. Then keep doing what you're doing.
**Sadly you won't hear about those stories too often because for one thing not everyone uses the forums and for another, because of all the creeps that are out there.
I think you just need to let this go.**
That's another myth. Most men aren't creeps.
**@rj88: So if it's an accident, it's not perverted?
Hmm. What if it's an accident, but sexual thoughts enter your mind? Is it perverted then?**
If it's an accident, it's not perverted.
You're saying I need help because I don't think 65 year old men shouldn't be meeting 18 year old girls? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
So if a man accidentally sees a woman getting undressed, and he thinks sexual thoughts, it's not perverted?
I want to be sure I'm understanding you correctly.
I just...that's not what I said. You're the one that's implying they are, though.
I'm saying you need help because I think you may have hurt your head. Or you have a severe obsession with controlling what consenting legal adults do on a platonic website, within the guidelines of TOS.
This is just weird. I'm Audi.
Don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do. I don't need anything. I'm just sharing my thoughts.
I never said most older men are dogs. Stop putting words in my mouth.
No, I don't think there is anything wrong with that. As long as he doesn't act on his thoughts.
So it's not perverted for a man to see an undressing woman and have sexual thoughts, so long as he saw her accidentally and doesn't act on his thoughts?
I want to be very sure I understand you.
**I'm saying you need help because I think you may have hurt your head. Or you have a severe obsession with controlling what consenting legal adults do on a platonic website, within the guidelines of TOS.
This is just weird. I'm Audi.**
You're not getting it. I don't care what anybody does. I'm just sharing my opinions and I think it's creepy.
I'm not sure why you think it's "weird" that I think 65 year old men shouldn't meet 18 year old teen girls.