Posting Unsolicited inappropriate photos should be against the law everywhere.

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  • @eddie2sweaty I think people deserve it for invading others with their junk like that. Would they do that in person at places like their work meeting that doesn't allow it?

    If not, then why on platforms where it doesn't belong and to people who did not give permission to recieve? When I go on a site that's supposed to be free of junk like that, I expect it to be safe from it and for people to feel free to read and post on it even in the company of their children. And anyone who decides to drop such bomb is despicable unless they are found to actually be not criminally responsible due to a related mental illness. Even without kids around people like myself, should not have to see that where it doesn't belong. Though with them around, it's even worse!

    In the rare case that someone is found to not be responsible due to a relevant mental illness, then I believe in distancing them from the net until they can be helped. And if there is no help and they continue to do that, perhaps have a system to lock them out of sharing photos, unless with someone who accepts photos hidden (photos that require unlocking before seeing) from them and understands their condition. While all others, they deserve jail, and or fines depending on if they can pay or not, and how often they repeat.

  • I think there are much more serious transgressions that deserve incarceration: assault, rape, robbery, treason...

    But somehow enforcing a world wide internet enforcement for unsolicited nudes? We had the Spanish Inquisition and that didn't work so well. We don't need a Junk Police on every computer or electronic device.

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    I agree @Sideon . I am not a woman and don't know what it's like to have men sending unwanted junk pics to you on the regular, and can certainly see where that is an assault on the senses. However not everything that we find offensive or potentially harmful is deserving of imprisonment. Doesn't mean I agree and that I feel it is ok to do , but I am not sure what would be an appropriate consequence for it . Jail for that alone doesn't seem to fit the crime in my opinion.

  • [Deleted User]LucidDreams84 (deleted user)

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    Going to jail and being locked in a cage all day, having your body searched for contraband, and possibly being assaulted or raped by a fellow inmate is a reasonable penalty limelight?
    I am sometimes passed on a walking trail by a biker who needs to pull up his pants but instead is displaying a big dose of Butt crack. It never happens to be an attractive woman ironically, and it usually makes me nauseas. But I’ve never found myself thinking that person needs to be locked in a cage as a penalty.

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    @eddie2sweaty I don't feel like jail is necessarily the way to go either however you must also realize the insensitive nature of your comment . There is a big difference between somebody with likely unintentional butt crack showing to an unintended person, and a man intentionally sending a pic of his genitals to an intended target

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    @eddie2sweaty

    "Going to jail and being locked in a cage all day, having your body searched for contraband, and possibly being assaulted or raped by a fellow inmate is a reasonable penalty limelight?
    I am sometimes passed on a walking trail by a biker who needs to pull up his pants but instead is displaying a big dose of Butt crack. It never happens to be an attractive woman ironically, and it usually makes me nauseas. But I’ve never found myself thinking that person needs to be locked in a cage as a penalty."

    If you (generally speaking here*) don't want to serve the time, and possibly be in such condition: don't do the crime.

  • Also let's not minimize this conversation into someone accidently showing their bum or not being aware that it shows: when actually we are talking about people deliberately sending such despicable content unsolicited.

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    @Sideon "I think there are much more serious transgressions that deserve incarceration: assault, rape, robbery, treason..."

    Spaced:

    I don't think it has to be either or case, they all can serve time, perhaps there is a crime or two out there that could actually be taken out of jail time unless maybe it's repeat. And thus with such off the list, and receiving alternative consequences, it could free up any space or resources that others might fear we'd run out of. And given that we'd also have fines, it'd mean that not all who do this would go to jail, though it could help to deter and think twice, and get the point across that such actions have consequences. I'm sure that type of argument was used at least against* some of the crimes that can put people to jail today.

  • edited May 2020

    The point not being directly addressed has nothing to do with the pics. It has everything to do with the US incarcerating more people than any other country in the world and showing it to be ineffective at best. Wasted resources and wasted time with a high rate of recidivism. Look at the war on drugs—that was a raging success (sarcasm). Point being, you don’t lock people up because their eyes were offended. Besides, if you incarcerate people because you were offended by a body part then it is a slippery slope to locking up writers of books that offendeth thee or sentencing someone for an opposing view on an issue. You would open a Pandora’s box that would offer certain political powers an opportunity to abuse.

  • If a man finds it difficult to understand why a woman is so bothered by receiving such a photo, they should try to imagine themselves to be in an all-male society where a proportion of the population are known to be aggressive homosexuals. I would suspect that if rape never occurred, women wouldn't be so bothered by such photos.

    Most "sex crimes" by women on men occur after the act, such as blackmailing them with the threat of publishing the video or informing their family of their infidelity. However, that follows a conscious decision by the man, to engage in the act. Most sex crimes against women, by contrast, are when they do not consent to the act itself.

    Prior to about 1970, it was not a criminal offence for a man to have non-consensual intercourse with his wife. I suspect that the incidence of the event after that reduced, because some men were sent to jail for it.

    An alternative punishment to jail, was famously meted out to ( John ) Wayne Bobbitt.

  • [Deleted User]Bles (deleted user)
    edited May 2020

    Removed the expletive used in reference to female genitalia. That word is at or near the top of what you might call the expletive rankings. [Mark]

    Sadly anyone who takes a picture of his or her genitals and sends it to another without his or her permission should be fined and assigned to a public registry similar that being used for sex offenders.

    I don't believe in incarcerating that person. It's far more psychologically punitive to limit such a person's freedom by having his or her information and character on public display all the time for the rest of his or her life unless she or he seeks and receives mental health treatment/ therapy for whatever his or her condition is. Incarceration has time limits and it often doesn't enforce positive behavior change. A 5,10,15 year sentence and jail time often just emboldens such behaviors and at times make them more insidious as the offenders are released back into the society.

    So a sex offenders registry with possible life long registration if treatment and or therapy of some kind isn't sought sounds more appropriate and punitive to me. That should apply to both genders.

    It's as equally offensive for a man to send dick pics to a woman without her consent as it is for a woman to send **** pics to a man without his consent. Enough of the double standard.

    Perhaps one may argue that more men do it than women. That the geographic outlay of a man's physical anatomy has more threatening implications from the perception of many women than vice versa. Whatever one's angle of argument (no pun intended) or reasoning it doesn't make it right on either end or count to send unsolicited pics of one's genitals to any one: male or female.

    That being said, anyone male or female who is bold enough to start a conversation or try to get someone's attention or for whatever reason with a dick or **** pic has serious mental health issues that needs to be addressed. And when I speak of mental health I'm speaking of well being. I'm not suggesting that anyone who sends dick or **** pics is mentally ill. When I think of mental and emotional well-being as part of one's general mental health I'm specifically thinking of those persons who repeatedly over time send such pics. The "issues" I speak to relate to questions that such repeated behaviors raise about how one thinks of and feels about oneself and others. What makes you think that sending a picture of your genitals to someone you're hoping to connect with is appropriate?

    And yes I have received many dick pics from men. Some as conversation starters. Others to test me. Still others just to get my attention. Initially I felt grossly violated but over the years I've taken a more thoughtful approach to it. I have a small library of pictures of different well formed sausage shaped stool of varying lengths and widths in my cloud. Depending on the detail observed in the offensive dick pic I send one to the male offender. When it's a female offender I do the same. Then I delete and block.

    It rarely means anything to them but I get a good laugh for myself.

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    @Bles that is a reasonable solution

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    @FunCartel

    "If a man finds it difficult to understand why a woman is so bothered by receiving such a photo, they should try to imagine themselves to be in an all-male society where a proportion of the population are known to be aggressive homosexuals. I would suspect that if rape never occurred, women wouldn't be so bothered by such photos."

    I don't think the two are related, even if raped never occured, such unsolicited content would be just as damaging as it is now. They are called "private parts" for a reason, they aren't meant to be displayed to just about anyone and anywhere without consent.

    @Bles

    "Sadly anyone who takes a picture of his or her genitals and sends it to another without his or her permission should be fined and be assigned to a public registry similar that being used for sex offenders."

    I think that's a good idea. Though when it comes to claiming mental illness, I don't think we should dilute what constitutes mental illness. Not everyone who does despicable things such as that, has a mental illness* that's relevant to it, at least not in the clinical sense. Though society at times uses the term "mentally ill" too interchangeably to mean things like "an awful/evil person". Which can add to the stigmatization of people with actual relevant mental illnesses, because there would be no differentiation and clarity.

  • @Bles
    I think that in the UK, taking a woman's clothing such that she is naked, is considered equivalent to kidnapping ; because she would be so unwilling to be naked in public.

    I think the rules for a man are different ; that if they show their genitals in public, the onus is on them to prove they did not do so with the intention of causing offence to someone.

    If we are going to have common rules for genital photos, we should address that first.

    "Unsolicited" is rather like "non-consensual" ; a reasonable concept in principle, but difficult to define and regulate. For instance, I expect that in less than 1% of cases where a couple have what would be generally regarded as "consensual" sex, even for the first time with each other ; do the parties actually say aloud the appropriate words, as they do for instance at a wedding ceremony, or in a will.

    I would not want a female to be convicted of a criminal offence, for doing something to me, that I did not find offensive ; on the basis that some people do find it offensive. Either that, or we have to say the "transmission medium" is offended, like it is a criminal act to send "obscene" material by post ; but the threshold for that is now pretty high.

    Interesting that if a person under a certain age sends an intimate selfie, they are technically guilty of the crime of making and distributing child pornography. The law, in practice at least, should discriminate between that, and making and sending intimate photos of someone else.

  • [Deleted User]Bles (deleted user)
    edited May 2020

    Removed expletive. [Mark]@Lovelight Mental health is a very broad area that covers issues that includes and not exclusive of mental illness. When I say mental health issues I'm not saying someone is mentally ill but that their behavior raises serious concerns about their state of mental and perhaps emotional well-being. Particularly if that person repeatedly does it. But I understand your point in the social stigmatization that occurs in mandating that person to seek mental health therapy. That's part of the aim in choosing a public registry/ sex offender approach. To put people in a position where their behavior is put under a microscope. It goes with the territory of such repeated acts of sending pictures of one's genitals as unasked for (unsolicited) and nonconsensually ( without consent) comes with the natural label that someone is " sick" as far as a layperson's mind goes. But the general concern is about the person's mental health or well being. Not saying that the person is mentally ill.

    @geoff1000 it is indeed difficult to define unsolicited in a legal sense. Only I was using it very generally in a broader sense of what is often and legally referenced as non consensual. So legally one would definitely not use unsolicited to decide or define a criminal act and frame possible charges for sure.

    And yes the rules for men on sending such pics are different but it still doesn't diminish the offensiveness of the act. Sadly it's one of many double standards in the legal system. Because we accept it as being grossly wrong when one gender does it but less than attractive or inoffensive when the other does should not be a premise by which we hold one or the other accountable.

    Even if some men like yourself don't find it offensive that a woman sends pictures of her genitals others do. And it is still inappropriate perhaps even wrong if she sent it without your asking her for such a picture.

    By the same token when the recipient is a female of a **** pic who finds it offensive shouldn't the same rules of violation apply?

  • @Lovelight - start your own platform and establish your own rules, but don't expect much traction on the rest of the internet.

  • @Bles
    I remember a movie in which a pupil was expelled from a prestigious boarding school ( perhaps a military academy ) for theft, in that they took something belonging to a fellow pupil, without their prior consent ; even though the owner of the item, said that they were friends, who often borrowed each other's property, without specifically asking each time.
    ( Maybe a movie fan on the site can supply the title. )
    In regard to female intimate selfies, I was trying to not be the "but I was consenting after the fact" friend.

    However, I do agree that if someone is in the habit of regularly sending unsolicited intimate selfies whether male or female, they probably need some help. One characteristic of some mental difficulties, is a poor appreciation of the need for "decent" clothing when in company.

    Society has recently begun recognising that sex workers are along a scale from offender to victim ; and places where prostitution is illegal, now often also ban the solicitation of someone for prostitution.

  • @Bles , love your responses.

    Terms of service on here are clear:

    Platforms like Facebook also have their own:

    Report and block offenders. Make it perfunctory. It works on almost every platform and venue that I can think of.

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    @Bles

    "Mental health is a very broad area that covers issues that includes and not exclusive of mental illness. When I say mental health issues I'm not saying someone is mentally ill but that their behavior raises serious concerns about their state of mental and perhaps emitional well-being."

    That seems to make sense. I don't currently have quite the words to convey my point, though I'm trying to say that there are some who do awful things out of disregard for the harm that* causes* others, and to just fulfill their satisfaction. And especially who do it when they feel they can get away with. Then we have some who might do the same things out of lack of awareness, and self control. So I think the two groups should not be charged and treated the same.

  • @Sideon "start your own platform and establish your own rules, but don't expect much traction on the rest of the internet."

    I think that's quite the oversimplifying of the issue and disregards the actual issue being discussed.

    Many sites already have the rules that I want, yet we have many of these issues. However they seem to lack the adequate legal support. Or their method could use improvement. Which I've the right to discuss and hope that things change. It takes more than creating one's own platform to minimize issues like these and put in place methods that better protect people and the platforms that have said rules.

  • In the last days they will call good evil and evil good.

    Thanks @eddie2sweaty and @LucidDreams84 for the compliment😎😉👍!

  • [Deleted User]Bles (deleted user)

    @Lovelight There are definitely those who send pictures of their genitals out of lack of self control and awareness of how offensive their actions are. Many are also emotionally wounded by many difficult life experiences. So true.

    That they should not be made accountable for how their actions affect or impact others because of their own personal weaknesses or unmet emotional and physical needs seems irresponsible.

    How they should be made accountable for their actions is a separate issue. And that is what you're asserting: differentiate the ones who lack self control and awareness from the more malicious ones who intentionally send such pics to be offensive. And charge each subset accordingly.

    So how do you differentiate between the groups of people who send pics of their privates to be seen and for their own kicks and those who are just unaware and impulsive? How do you prove intent to affect or offend for one's own pleasure as against intent to pleasure oneself purely out of a lack of awareness and self control?

    And if it's challenging enough to define and decide intent on either level how then do you appropriate the legal charges?

    The fact that many websites and social media platforms do have a variety of guidelines regarding what is considered inappropriate conduct that includes the posting or exchange of nudity makes it fairly easy to hold someone accountable for such behavior. On the legal defense side if suit is brought it becomes a little more challenging especially when it comes to the matter of proving intent in either direction.

  • The penalty for manslaughter, is similar to the penalty for being judged a danger to society by reason of insanity. Al Capone was jailed for tax evasion. The penalty for refusing to give an alcohol breath sample, is the same as a positive result.

    We perhaps don't need to decide if someone is evil or socially inept, to ban them from communicating with people.

  • @geoff1000 We also dont need to figure out one single penalty. First timers get a slap and a warning and hopefully the learning will happen. Repeat offenders would get the harsher penalties. If the first timer was especially horrible then more than a slap. This is why we have judges. :)

  • Banning people from the internet for posting inappropriate photos? Wow fascists everywhere would welcome you to their ranks!

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    @Lovelight prison overcrowding and ineffectiveness is related to your point when you say someone should be incarcerated. We are in the top 10 of just about every major crime in the world yet we imprison more people than anyone else. The system is taxed and there are not enough beds. You are now going to throw every Tom, Dick and Harry in jail for pictures of a penis? How are you going to enforce this? The internet is worldwide and justice systems are not the same. @Bles had the best, sanest solution out there that would actually help the offender modify the behavior. Prison rarely does that.

  • [Deleted User]LucidDreams84 (deleted user)

    Prison? Fines? Sex offender registration? I don't think people who send dick pics, pussy shots, or nipple snaps are more mentally ill than people who charge money to cuddle complete strangers, or pay money to cuddle complete strangers. And I'm not begrudging the industry, I partake in it. You have to get out of your bubble and realize the world is not your safe space and whatever social justice aspiration to jail people who send you naughty pics that offend you is simply not reality. It's up to the cuddlecomfort to screen. That's it. Nothing is 100% fool proof. Frankly, if some penis photos sent to you without your permission freaks you out so much, you aren't cut out for this. Consider it an occupational hazard. I really don't see how a photo is more jarring than actually spooning with a male, and God forbid, they get an erection. Wouldn't that freak you out?

  • This site applies a temporary ban for improper use of the forum. That seems a reasonable response.

    Improper use of various communication media or the road network or commercial passenger aircraft, has a judicial penalty of a temporary ban on its use.

    @snuggleme123
    "a slap" ?
    Are you advocating corporal punishment ?

    @LucidDreams84
    I'm not sure how you equate the consensual, with the non-consensual. A sex worker makes a charge for a client to display their genitals in real life, perhaps there is a market niche for someone to be able to pay to be able to send photos of their genitals. There is generally a judicial penalty for doing something to someone, without their consent, which other people would charge to have done to them.

    I would be interested to know the ratio of incidence of males sending male genital photos to females vs. females sending photos of their own genitals to males.

  • @geoff1000 Oh hell to the no!

    Metacarpal, not corporal, punishment.

    😜

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