@Invisibletouch
Just read about 13 deaths in Norway. Digging deeper, ALL were frail NH residents over age 80..more digging and find out its out of 30,000 to 45,000 and ordinarily, this demographic has 450 deaths per week.
That the vaccine was rushed isn't disputed. How it was rushed is comforting.
@introvme your man is mostly right in the the things that he actually said, but he has totally missed the point.
Which was? @CuddleDuncan
@AlfredNeuman I am at risk, myself, as well. I had an adverse reaction, to the last vaccine i had. My dr advised, yrs ago, to consider each vaccine on a case by case basis, since I'll be weighing my probable reaction against the possibility of contracting the disease.
@CuddleDuncan im waiting on the 2 page 📄 thesis on the point that was missed 😏 😅😂 jkjk love you bro!!! 👊🏼 🍻
@Mike403 Love giving orders, don't you?
I wasn't arguing. Have no interest in arguing.
I stated my point, was attacked, replied with my reasons for opting out of further contact with that person
@introvme if everybody gets sick at once, the hospitals have to close and the fatality rate is horrific because nobody gets treatment.
If everybody gets sick over a period of a couple of years, the hospitals are stretched but they can cope, everybody gets treatment and a large number of lives are saved.
What matters is the velocity with which the virus progresses through the population. The slower the rate, the fewer people die.
Washing your hands, wearing a mask, and social distancing significantly slow the virus's progression. A vaccine taken by everybody slows the progression rate to such an extent that the hospitals can come out of emergency mode and start treating people in the ordinary way. More lives saved. Whether the vaccine's effectiveness is 95%, 85% or 75% doesn't matter that much. It's more important that as many people as possible are protected by it.
@MaullySterling has had very bad reactions to vaccines in the past, so whether or not she should take it is a finely balanced medical question. If people in her situation don't take it, it doesn't really matter for the rest of us because there are relatively few such people in the population.
@Invisible_Touch I found that article, although I wasn't able to read it. The headline is that people died after having had the vaccine, but ... so what? One thing I can promise is you is that 100% of the people who receive any covid vaccine will die subsequently.
This is a global programme. Sooner or later some idiot somewhere is going to do the injections incorrectly. A batch is going to be stored at a weird temperature and will give a strange result. A visiting vaccinator will kill everybody in a care home within a week, but it's the not the vaccine it's the E coli in his sandwich.
@Invisible_Touch Which ingredient in which vaccine are you claiming is toxic? And what is the pathway?
@AlfredNeuman your description of how the vaccine was produced so quickly is spot on.
@introvme Just seen your comment, I wrote as fast as I could, man! (Actually I was trying to work through some stats but my brain is too addled so I gave up.)
Gotta say, this thread is providing a lot of people reasons to never trust anyone on this website. Myself included. The arguments against vaccination are just absolutely insane and not at all in line with science or reality.
this thread is providing a lot of people reasons to never trust anyone on this website ...
I haven’t seen 1 person here telling anyone else not to take the vaccine, they’re giving you their reasons for not taking it, also- is this the 1st time you come across people not wanting to take it? Not in your personal life/ not in the media / not in the news ect but in a thread on CC? Lastly, knowing the fact that people who don’t want to take it are in the minority & people wanting to take it are in the majority ... I have even more trust in anybody voicing they don’t want to, especially being in a cuddle site / they are being transparent with all that they don’t want to, so us in that group can be eliminated from being considered for any cuddling.
If you want to be transparent, put it on your profile that you won't get vaccinated. Give everyone clear warning.
Ha is that the reason you just visited my page, to see if I state somewhere that I wouldn’t take it? The question is being brought up here & I answered it.... but you brought up a good point & maybe you want to suggest that to the site owner that we should disclose on our profiles wether we want to take the vaccine or not/ or have taken it or not? I see zero problems in not taking it, therefor see zero concerns , & if someone were to ask me if I have taken it my answer would be no, if they ask me if I would my answer would be only if I faced termination by my employer if I didn’t ... you seem like you rather be lied to.
Also I like how you avoided answering the questions, “is this the 1st time you come across people not wanting to take it”?
You say you don’t trust this site because of people voicing they don’t want to ... I don’t know how the site is responsible but there are millions on Facebook / Instagram / YouTube & just the internet period , but here you are logged on, I suggest you get off the internet by your reasoning.
So, I made the choice to get vaccinated, but I respect the fact that others have their reasons for either wanting to wait or simply skip it all together. I am immunocompromised, and one of three of my specialists warned me against getting the vaccine due to the possibility of very adverse reactions based on my autoimmune disorders. That being said, I am on the frontlines in a dedicated C-19 hospital, and so I decided that it would be in my best interest to go through with it. My department houses the vaccine for distribution throughout Oklahoma, and we have been inundated with information regarding the pro’s and cons of it. After eating, sleeping, and breathing all things COVID since February (ugh) at work, all I can say is do the research and make your choices. If you decide to do it...yay. If you don’t....okay. I’ll still cuddle and be friends with you!
I'm definitely getting the vaccine as soon as I can. Unfortunately, it's not available to me yet.
For anyone who is concerned about it being "rushed," I urge you to read this lengthy but well-written article on how they were able to do this. As has been pointed out before, the method used to develop it was already available. There was an all-hands-on-deck concerted effort and a level of cooperation that was unprecedented. It's not a live virus and, in fact, only contains a portion of the virus's genetic code.
I'm in a higher risk category on. more than one count. I'll be glad when I can finally get it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/01/science-covid-19-manhattan-project/617262/
I’m getting the vaccine as soon as I can.
@xandriarain The blood disorder was there prior to the vaccine, and in every story on this case has stated it was undiagnosed. In short he could have gotten this from a shingles vaccine, a flu vaccine etc. The blood disorder reared its head under the right circumstance—kind of like high blood pressure may be silent until critical mass occurs. Nevertheless, scientists are saying the vaccine was most likely NOT the cause. To say otherwise is simply a lie.
@Invisible_Touch The Epoch Times is an agenda driven newspaper. To cite them is to basically cite QAnon. But don’t take my word for it:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abc10.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/verify-unsolicited-paper-spreads-outlandish-covid-claims/103-9290495e-a501-44fa-b7df-0bb0e385328b
Why isnt this as simple as if you want it take it , if you dont want it dont take it ?
By the way for everyone who had gotten it or wants the vaccine if anything goes wrong you are on your own. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/4006753001
@bigben 🙏
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/amp/
@xandriarain i see lots of news sources covering those 23 deaths ... thanks for posting this, I wish there was a way for me to post a video of Dr. Faucci himself saying on CNN that they’re not sure if the vaccine protects us from getting infected, YouTube has done an amazing job at removing the link of him stating this because ive searched everywhere & they decided to remove it but luckily I have it saved on my phone, just don’t know how to post it from my phone on here people in the comments also expressing that they can’t find it
It's not just about the number of deaths, which has been astronomical. Last Wednesday 4,237 people died in one day. Just six weeks ago the average was 2,000 deaths per day. They project as many as 90,000 Americans could die in the next three weeks. That would take us to 490,000 deaths, close to half a million. Check on Feb. 5 and see how close they were.
But that doesn't address the millions of people who get sick, some severely. I have heard a couple of stories from people who ended up in an ICU for a week and it was a nightmare at every level. Painful, frightening body sensations, hallucinations. As for the people who don't get so ill, they are finding they still may have lung damage, heart damage, kidney damage, liver damage, damage to blood vessels and the nervous system and the brain. How long will this last? We don't know. However, it could leave people impaired for life and if insurance companies ever are able to exclude for preexisting conditions again, I doubt they are going to want to cover anyone who had coronavirus. Some people get over the virus and are unwell for months afterwards. I read the research on this stuff. They are finding changes in some people's brains. Some people are chronically fatigued. Some people are left with chronic pain. One college football team found that 1/3 of the members of the team who got coronavirus have heart damage, and these are young, athletic guys. Some of them can't play football, their heart can't take it. Maybe it will get better over time, we don't know.
Over 24 million Americans have gotten the virus, 405,206 of them have died. And we're not done with it.
And still some people insists it's a hoax, refuse to wear masks, or refuse to take the vaccine. They don't care if they infect others, possibly lead to someone else's death. I don't understand it.
@Babichev A friend, aged 45, caught it about 7 weeks ago. She suffered with a 102⁰ fever for 6 days at home. Couldn't keep food or liquid down. Got very dehydrated, had nightmares and some hallucinations. Finally went to ICU for 2 nights. Found pneumonia. Sent home day 3. Recovered in another week. Hubby and teen son had it as well, not as severely. She is 30 lbs overweight. the guys are not.
I've had two neighbors get it. Both survived. The obese AA guy required hospitalization. Given his type 1 diabetes, he's lucky to survive.
A fireman friend, under 40, came down with it. Main complaint was a two week long back ache.
It's real, it's no fun but too many press accounts are agenda driven. Most social media accounts using reported data don't have any understanding of the data.
@xandriarain @introvme
Hopefully everyone reads more than the headline
@xandriarain
Edit..
NBC Nightly News went back to the flagship hospital in the Lehigh Valley Health System. A year ago excess flu patients were in the parking lot in tents. This year, same month, there was not a single flu patient. None. Inside or out.
Either CDC or Johns Hopkins reports flu diagnosis are 1% of last year. Keep that in mind when looking at Covid numbers of 350,000. Flu is often 65,000 to 110,000
The precautions we're taking for covid would of course significantly reduce the transmission of the flu as well. Why is this a surprise?
@mtp So the flu virus is stopped by social distancing and masks but Sars Covid 2 isn't. 99% is pretty darn effective. Dream on.
P.S. Tamiflu sales and prescriptions are down 100%