Red Flags and Traffic Signals

[Deleted User]CharlesThePoet (deleted user)
edited August 2021 in General

To the gentlemen of Cuddle Comfort…

Here’s the problem: Us.

Men are the “Red Flag”.

And, I know, I know, that will truly anger many of us, and sadden others of us, and frustrate most of us.

But that doesn’t make it less true.

And of course, of course, YOU are the “Good Guy”. The “Gentleman”.

But, here is the thing, the men and women around us have NO WAY to know that at a glance. Or even after “knowing us” for months, not to mention days, hours, or even a few paragraphs of text on a website.

As the Good Guy, the Gentleman, you must remember at all times that everyone around you is apprehensive in your presence, if not actively afraid.

And for more good reasons than any of us care to experience.

Virtually everyone we meet has been victimized by a man. And if not victimized personally, certainly knows a victim, or has seen countless victims in their lives.

Murders, mass shootings, rapes, assaults, wars, property destruction, and losses of temper.

Everyone, including us Good Guys and Gentlemen, know how dangerous men can be. How dangerous we are.

So, the question is not how to stop that perception of men being “Red Flags”.

The question is how to respectfully, and patiently, navigate that simple truth.

Well, as with all difficulties, the first step is to accept the problem at face value, as it is.

The next steps are more complicated, but certainly attainable.

A basic checklist is:

  • Don’t take it personally.
  • Speak carefully, and gently.
  • Move slowly, and with awareness.
  • Never use your physical advantages to threaten or coerce.
  • Respect any and all boundaries.
  • Ask what those boundaries are.
  • NEVER try to negotiate, or “talk some sense” into, someone else’s boundaries. (If you find those boundaries unreasonable, simply move on.)
  • Ask what you can do to help others to feel safe and secure in your presence.
  • Do that, as best you can.
  • LISTEN.
  • Check in. Never assume that “everything is fine” simply because no one has told you otherwise.
  • Use The Traffic Signals. “Red” means STOP, back off, and wait for them to explain or approach you. “Yellow” means “WAIT”, back off, and ask what you can do. “Green” means all is fine.
  • Teach those around you the Traffic Signals, and then respect and honor those Signals.
  • Be empathetic. Try to remember a world where you were the smallest thing in the room, at the mercy of your older male relatives.
  • Be patient. Everyone has an entire lifetime of being apprehensive, distrustful, abused, hurt, and frightened. Trust takes time.

I get it, but this is what it is.

No one said it was fair.

No one said that every man deserves to be mistrusted and feared.

But one bad apple spoils the whole bunch, and there have been way, way, WAY MORE than one bad apple.

Keep it in mind, learn to deal with it, and don’t blame those around you for protecting themselves from you before they know you.

It helps to remember that the greatest strength is kindness, the greatest courage is empathy, and the greatest virtue is patience.

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Comments

  • @CharlesThePoet you sir are the most awesomest human!!! I’m glad I’m getting to know you and very sad that you are so far away!!!
    Thank you for this post!
    I hope everyone that reads it just absorbs what is written takes a few deep breadths and then responds.
    As a woman I think I can speak for all “safety is our main concern”
    The whole cuddle experience transcends into something very beautiful once we feel safe & secure. It’s beneficial for both parties.
    Thank you from the bottom of my heart Charles for this🙏🏼😘

  • edited August 2021

    So are you saying women aren't dangerous?

    You make a lot of poor assumptions. Not virtually everybody we meet has been victimized by a man.

    First of all, women don't go around being "actively afraid" of men.
    How do I know this? Because I have talked to a number of women about this. I am not sure why you think any of this is true.

    Many, many women physical abuse their husbands. Many women murder men.

    The fact is that men and women just have to go with their gut when meeting new people. Talk with the other person before meeting them. Get a sense of who they are before you are alone with them.

    Stop with the silly BS that men are dangerous. Men AND women are both generous, but if you're walking in public actively thinking that, then you should see a therapist.

  • Just an FYI: It is never normal to be apprehensive and to be actively afraid of every single person you see in public. If you feel this way, then I urge you to please get some mental help. There is no shame getting help.

  • edited August 2021

    And to add further: I have had bad things done to me by woman and men have shared other stories where woman have victimized them. Are we afraid of women? Of course not. We just ask more questions and get to know the women more before we meet them and are eventually alone with them. That's all anybody can do.

  • edited August 2021

    To Charles,
    I hear what you are trying to say, but it seems to me that in every thread when the subject ia about mean you seem to say men are bad and not good guys.
    If that’s the case we shouldn’t listen to you because you are a man?
    I mean just imagine if you substituted the word man or men with an ethnicity and then write all these things about that ethnicity.
    And one of your points was don’t take it personally.
    Don’t you think your words are offensive then? Painting a whole gender with a broad brush?
    Plus if gender is a social construct then can we really say that men are bad?
    Bizarre really as soon as I saw that you were the poster I knew where this was headed.
    PS don’t take any of this personally.
    Just had to vent.

  • Some good points which you share here @CharlesThePoet, including the ones which stood out to me the most:

    How to respectfully, and patiently, navigate.

    (That patient part is a constant challenge, but I am learning and becoming better with the patience).

    Speaking carefully and gently.

    Moving with awareness.

    Never using physical advantages to threaten or coerce.

    Remembering a world where you were the smallest thing in the room, at the mercy of your older male relatives.

    *(Cuddling with males here from CC who host the cuddles at their homes has reminded me of what it is like to be in a more vulnerable position as a person, let alone as a man.)

    And that trust takes time.

    Overall a solid list with much wisdom and things for us to keep in mind and learn from, especially here.

  • @supadupa

    100% agree. And it's very true that (according to @CharlesThePoet ) all men are bad. So I guess men should never give advice to anybody.

  • [Deleted User]squeakytoy (deleted user)
    edited August 2021

    @Robert777 I see no need for you to speak on behalf of women - they can speak for themselves here. From this point on, please do not minimize the issues of groups you're not a member of, and please do not bait other users. If you continue to do so, you will be timed out. Thanks.

  • edited August 2021

    @Robert777 I think it'll benefit you to take a step back to hear where the OP is coming from. He's talking about men and how they can better approach others.

    Anyone not living under a rock knows women can be predators too, however it's not the topic at hand.

    "Not virtually everybody we meet has been victimized by a man."

    Yes, they have and I am sure many of those who haven't, unfortunately, it is only a matter of time. And that's just the reported/spoken about cases that we hear about.

    "Many, many women physical abuse their husbands. Many women murder men."

    "Criminology is the study of individual and social factors associated with crime and the people who perpetrate it. One of the discipline’s well-established truths is that men commit violent and sexual offences at far higher rates than women.

    Men are also the most likely victims of physical violence across the board, but women are far more likely than men to be victims of sexual, familial and domestic violence." -https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/men-are-more-likely-to-commit-violent-crimes-why-is-this-so-and-how-do-we-change-it-157331

    None of this means that "all men are this or that". It is simply bringing attention to the issue and trying to help the good men to better navigate the slippery* path the bad ones pave. So that being mindful of these issues they can be more understanding and patient with the women/* who need it.

    "First of all, women don't go around being "actively afraid" of men."

    Sorry to break it to you, though most if not all of us do, have or will at one point or another in our lifetime. Being afraid doesn't * always * mean the people being afraid of are bad, it just means that the people who are afraid need to be supported and to heal. And part of that support is being understanding and not doing things like trying to invite them to your home when they barely know you or barely even exchanged like 10 messages with you. Or asking to meet at odd hours, to get in your car, etc., when they barely know. Although those things are red flags, I don't think that everyone who makes a poor move has bad intentions. Which if they care, they'll learn from this and be mindful.

  • @Robert777
    You brought an interested point.
    Personally..... my mom abandoned me n my brother
    I come from child abuse from my dads second wife. ( clarify not sexualy or molested)
    My dads 3rd wife one the most Narcissistic person I ever met.
    Grownup I got played n cheated more than once. And one of those relationships it a really toxic relationship.
    Now... do hate women? No I dont
    Do I think they are all the same? No I don't.
    ( im really glad and thankful that I have met women that remind me thy are not all the same)

    But sadly but true @CharlesThePoet has a point.  
    
  • edited August 2021

    With that said, I'll have to disagree with this part* @CharlesThePoet

    "Here’s the problem: Us.

    Men are the “Red Flag”."

    I don't find men (in their entirety) to be the problem, it is the bad apples who ruin it for everyone. I don't think men are the red flags either, though the way they go about things at times can come off as red flags even some who may have the best of intentions. The good men then understand this and take action to rectify the situation. I don't want y'all blaming yourselves for something that isn't your fault.

  • Thanks for understanding my points @Chris04.

  • Again, if any of you are actively afraid of everybody you meet in public, then please get help.

  • edited August 2021

    @Robert777 Thanks for bringing up some very good points that many men can relate to but have to keep silent about in today's political and social climate. If you're ever in Vegas, I would like to buy you a beer.

  • @parkwayvisual

    I'm a teetotaler, but thanks!

  • @Chris04 sorry to hear that! I am glad you found the hope you need and women who you had a good connection with.

    I think it was someone on the forum said something like this... though basically the saying was, we need to think of this like crossing the street. We constantly have to look both sides and ocassionally we may find ourselves coming close to accidents. Or worse. And that's how it's kind of like trying to navigate having a good connection with each other, especially when strangers.

  • @CharlesThePoet Thank you for your thoughtful words. In recent years, I've been learning to take out the earplugs and listen when comments are made about any group that I'm a member of.

    My impulse is to say as a man: "I'm a gentleman!", or as a white person, "I'm not racist!" While these things may be true, the fact is that there will always be room for me to grow, and that won't happen if my ears and mind are closed.

    I'm learning that I have the opportunity to reinforce or to help dismantle the reputation of men being dangerous. I recognize that violence is not always physical: it can be mental and emotional.

    I read a book entitled, "Hurt People Hurt People", and it discussed how my unhealed wounds and fragile ego might damage others. Becoming the healthiest version of myself protects those around me, as well as benefiting myself.

    I've also learned that any advice that stings, usually has some application in my life.

    Again, thank you for the reminder to be patient and non-judgemental.

  • So this goes for men and women.

    Listen to your gut, do a video chat, phone call, etc. Don't rush meeting.

    Bad things happen to people every day and that will never change.

  • @Robert777 No problemo. Just a pleasure to see one of the few male members of this site that doesn't see the need to be all apologetic and ashamed for being a man.

  • Thanks for standing up @parkwayvisual. I really appreciate it!

  • [Deleted User]squeakytoy (deleted user)

    @CharlesThePoet By the way, even though I always appreciate it when men hear us out and have a deep understanding of our issues, please don't tear yourself down or self-shame! It's sad to see! You're perfectly marvelous and (at least as far as I'm concerned) you don't throw up any red flags.

  • Sincerely got to say that @CharlesThePoet
    Brought one the most interesting subject.
    Thnk you...
    Though we can't really speak our mind out because either we'll be block.
    Or the discussion will be closed.

  • Well first off, this discussion certainly helped me!! Block block block LOL but why can I still see their ignorance on my screen tho???

    I’m not here to argue. The best thing about consent is the choice to walk away when somethings not right so YES to that and to a conversation started by a man (cis man?) who understands home base of social systems theory.

    My safety is the first topic when meeting a new cuddler. If I sense any aggression or defensiveness I’m out. Nothing is worth my life and yes I’ve had to fight For. My. Life. So. Many. Times. Thankfully not doing this yet 🤞🏽

    The last cuddler the topic of my safety was thru messages, on the phone, and in virtual icebreaker because he wanted me in his hotel room. A brand new client. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! He was all gentle and sweetness and kindness and never coerced me into anything but believe me when I tell you that I explicitly stated the rules and still expected payment upfront no cash. These horror stories are bananas.

    But when the vibe is there it is soooo healing and good!!!

  • I suggest everybody to watch the documentary "The Red Pill".

  • @Robert777
    I only mentioned the most messed up ones.
    I could easily kept on going.

  • @Lovelight
    Thank you for your kinds words. So true want you mention.🙏 my respects

  • @MxBliss

    But when the vibe is there it is soooo healing and good!!!

    Yes!! To me, the work of earning and never betraying trust is work that gives rich rewards. The best cuddles happen when two people feel safe, and I'm responsible for the other person's sense of safety.

  • @MxBliss

    Thanks for calling people who disagree with you ignorant. It's a blessing that you blocked me.

  • @squeakytoy
    If this site had the like button.
    I'd like your comment.
    Your are all awesome.

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