@cylee1180 i agree that in everything there’s black / white & grey …. My friends wanted to meet up today to watch game 6, I said I wasn’t feeling too well (could I have made it yes but I didn’t wanna go, did I lie? Yes but it wasn’t to deceive , if I had said simply no they would’ve not given up lol 😂 & I just genuinely wanted to stay home. I’ll put that in the grey category lol but someone else might feel that a lie is a lie no matter what 🤷🏻♂️, but than again saying you’re not feeling too well for an event should be an acceptable form as no I don’t wanna go lol.
@cuddles_ndream Yeppp...or saying Steph Curry is top 10 atg...is it a lie if they believe it's true? Burrrn.
Hahaha 😅😂 he’s def top 10 shooters of all time no argument there … when lebron said he would like to play with curry I couldn’t believe it 🤦♂️ I cringed … I think that alone put curry on top 10 lol but if he gets 1 more ring (especially over James) he’s there 🤷🏻♂️ Lol
@cylee1180 how would you react to the situation if you were the pump owner and your employee had made the same mistake? What would you think about the people who ‘purchased’ from you?
From what I understood, it was supposed to be $6.99 per gallon and a decimal point was misplaced making it 69 cents.
@HUGGGGGG I would take ownership of the mistake. I would admonish the employee. Then I would work hard to reduce the impact : make shortcuts on costs, do a fundraiser or get donations or hold a community event , maybe roll w it and have cheap gas prices on that day every year, or uptick gas just a tad for a few weeks to earn back some of the revenue . I wouldn't cry victim- I would get to work.
Here's my reasoning ~ I said 'Yes' because it was the closest to what would likely happen...
In Oregon you don't/can't pump your own gas. But if crossing the river to Washington, then you do/can.
So in Oregon, I wouldn't even notice until logging my mpg and seeing the total, would be like, "Um... is this for real??" Bringing it to their attention.
In Wasington, I'd likely think, "What the hell?" and go in to tell someone right away as my tank was filling (because I don't really notice the cost until standing there watching it increase).
In either case, I would tell someone, because I can't not. And I would double check if I had to pay the difference or not.
My guess is that no matter if independent or corporate, the taxes and markup they pay gets passed to all of us, and depending on how many people took advantage, that could negatively impact an entire community (imaging small towns with only one station). Plus it would just feel wrong. I'd need the employee(s) to clear my conscious first.
@cylee1180 that sounds fair - that is roughly what the owner also did … and what will you think about the people?
@HUGGGGGG I think I'm consistent on both sides: I woulda pumped the gas and I would not have thought the pple were wrong. I mean they're still mostly paying customers in the community that would return, but not if you antagonize them.
I mean morally, pple would not steal a candy bar from a Target but they would take services from a small business and not pay. Now that's tragic!
People steal all the time in ways that in their mind they feel it's a victimless crime. My dad rents movies then copies them/burns them onto a blank DVDs.
@cylee1180 so what about the persons who reported or alerted the owner of the error? Were they better than others who did not report in the community (within the shades of gray you mention)?
@HUGGGGGG I don't understand how they are better or worse. They did a good thing sure. Thats like saying who's better in a basketball game : a ref or a score keeper? Apples and oranges imo.
I already stated that I didn't feel that the customers were immoral, so why would they be compared to someone who pointed out a mistake? Or is someone who donated $2 million to charity that day better than the guy who pointed out the mistake? Super fuzzy and somewhat unrelated imo .
@cylee1180 thank you for explaining. Yes, they surely did a good thing by reporting
Agree.
It would depend. If the gas station is owned by a large company like walmart or something then I have no sympathy and I actually want them to go bankrupt. I would encourage people to take advantage of places like walmart as much as they possibly can. The world would be better off without them.
However if the owner is just a regular person and not a soulless corporation then I wouldn't want them to suffer for their mistake.
I guess I will vote I don't know since I don't know who owns the station.
Also since this is somewhat relevant...
First: I don't have a car.
Second: If I had a car, the tank needed filling, and I found myself at a pump clearly charging far less than anyone could afford to sell it for, I'd fill up and drive away without a backwards thought.
Third: I only accept responsibility for my own survival and that of the one I love and care for. To that end I'll take advantage of anything and anyone else.
Fourth: I don't consider myself moral.
Note that I was an overly logical child raised by fundamentalist Christians, which undoubtedly warped my moral development beyond recognition.
Generally speaking, the advantage in capitalism lies with corporations. If I thought the price was lower than it was, they would have no problem charging me the actual higher price.
@quixotic_life I’m guessing Mike was wondering more if people would intentionally pump gas that was clearly incorrectly priced.
A surprising and concerning amount of people said yes. Not sure if it’s because they assume they won’t notice, or of they think it’s a victimless crime or just sticking it to the greedy big oil, or if a large proportion of people are shitty assholes.
@Mike403 I used to thinking copying digital products was a victimless crime. Sure, the programmers and game designers/movie staff need a paycheck too, but if I’m not going to buy it anyway, no one gets hurt? However, when I found I switched away from piracy to only paying for digital media, I found I paid more than I expected. So It’s not victimless for me and probably many others. I’s feel a little less bad about it if it were a big hollywood movie or triple A game title as they have tons of money and there’s likely a lot of corruption going on
Curious how people look at stealing as a contextual moral. In short, if I deem the victim to be kind of like me then I wouldn’t do it, but if it is something I deem to be evil it is not stealing but more like revenge. But mixed up in the sophistry of justifying one’s actions it never occurs to them that the evil corporation/Hollywood are employing people like you who become the scapegoat for your actions. All actions have consequences and usually those consequences affect people like you.
It's funny how pple use blanket statements to indicate moral superiority. :P
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I didn’t make a blanket statement, I threw out food for thought. But if it makes you feel more right then go for it…whatever it is. I was considering how people use moral relativism which is anything but a blanket statement.
Or was considering the common person just a blanket statement? If looking at all angles is “moral superiority” then that says more about you than it does me.
This is an example of deflection and projection. I mean we hadn't even started to talk about pples deepest convictions when testing moral fiber, but I will say pple who seem the most sure are sometimes have the biggest contradictions.
No, I for sure wouldn't do that because I realize it's not the oil companies who would be getting ripped off. Besides, it's all about karma and doing unto others. It's unfortunate but when things get tight, people get desperate. I just think about how crimes are going to surge in my city, especially around Christmas time.
@yolilikescuddle if I may ask, you wouldn’t do it because you realize it’s not the oil companies who would be getting ripped off… had you not realize it, & believed in your mind & heart that infact it would be the oil companies getting ripped off, would you proceed to filling up?
@cylee1180 I did not deflect. I addressed your accusation. Intellectual honesty comes when you address the statements made rather than casting dispersions of moral superiority on the person making them. That is all I will say on the subject. You obviously do not like me and that is fine. But don’t pursue your dislike on here.
@yolilikescuddle 🥂
Companies are made of people.
As one of the people who isn't covered by the blanket statement "curious how people look at stealing as a contextual moral," I accidentally inserted the word many between "curious how" and "people." And agreed.
I think it has something to do with the evolution of morality, Dunbar's number... and possibly the idea that if I get something good and a company shoots somebody for it, that's on them, not me.
@DaringSprinter Now that’s interesting.