@ClubSamwiches - The BLM movement called for a boycott of a store because they arrested an African American guy for stealing. They weren't being racist. A thief is a thief. That's why I want no part in this.
I am not certain but I do not think the vending machine is sentient. So why tip an inanimate object unless you are Pavlov’s dog.
This is a picture I took at a fast food style restaurant awhile back. What are they gonna do to my burger if I don't tip?
Just wow on so many levels.
@Mike403 educating yourself doesn’t make you part of BLM.
Please do not ever @ me again.
@Mike403 This is why so many people are calling for a change to the system. Tipping is humiliating to the people working for tips as it is barely a step up from panhandling, only the people being tipped are actually employed already. The logic in that is inherently flawed. So yes, if you decide not to tip your burger may be violated in unimaginable ways and given to you broken and soggy,
Tipping is essentially a money saver for the restaurant. And if they did pay a living wage the cost of your burger would go up and many people would reevaluate how often they eat out. So there are negative consequences, but people shouldn’t be forced to perform shit jobs for an unlikeable wage.
But I do have a dream where vending machines can exist without being judged by the color of their paint.
Holy jeebers. I don't know if I can even touch this one without at least getting a time out. @Mike403 are you aware of yourself sir?
@stormydaycuddle - I seriously don't understand why I'm offending people. All I said is that I like to not think about race and treat everyone as equals.
@stormydaycuddle imagine having the privilege to lack self awareness 🤯
@mike403 why I ask if you're aware of yourself is because that's not what you are in fact doing. You're dismissing inequality by refusing to recognize that it exists. You're putting up blinders which is a privilege you have. Its unfortunate you can't see the world as it truly is and be part of the solution instead of the problem. I hope that explanation helps.
@ClubSamwiches The reality of this world is mind blowing, you're right. Edit: I took the rest of the comment out because I don't usually like the world at large having that much info about me.
This thread wasn't even supposed to be about race. Somebody else brought it up so I gave my opinion.
My friends that work service jobs for tips make more money than if they were paid minimum wage and they prefer it that way. Maybe others that are not my friend want 120 per 8 hr shift instead of 200+ they make from tipping. @Mike403 dude don’t respond anymore just bend the knee.
I don't know what to say at this point. I have autism so my brain functions differently and thinking about certain things stresses me out. I like to think as everyone as equal.
@supadupa As someone who worked as a waiter in college your example applies to certain restaurants and bars and even then you have to work your way up from the crap shifts to the desired shifts. Most situations are not like this. Yes I worked in a French restaurant that catered to a predominantly female crowd and at certain times I could clean up because some of the dinners ran $65 or more and that was 35+ years ago. But it wasn’t every shift and there were other dynamics at play as well. Because I was young and a male I made a ton more tips than the females because the clientele was female. The pub across the street was a male crowd and I could never compete with the females there. I haven’t even factored in race.
Restaurant and bar tipping is a revenue stream for those establishments. They don’t even have to pay the minimum wage for the hours worked. It is an outmoded scam that needs to go away and to stop exploiting the desperation of single mothers and young workers.
On a side note. I was a horrible waitress back in the day. I feel SOOOO bad for anyone that wound up being sat in my section. So there's my apology for forgetting so many orders etc. I will now attempt to work on something other than ranting on the forums. Its unlikely that this will happen. I'm pretty sure hyper focus and OCD have taken hold... I'll be back lol.
@stormydaycuddle I enjoy your rants. They definitely make me dive for shelter.
This thread has reached a tipping point.
The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the Federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the Federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the Federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference.
Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the Federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits.
That being said, I believe some people in traditional non-tipping jobs are abusing the notion of tipping. I've seen registers in convenience stores with tip jars beside them. They are not usually providing a service that we usually associate with tipping. My personal believe is that tipping should be for a personal service rendered, such as wait staff, bartender, kid who mows your yard, massage therapist, valet....I think you get my point.
I personally believe tipping is something that should be reformed to the benefit of the worker and the customer. The employer that has to legally keep track of this should also welcome reform. Do I have any ideas what needs to be done? Not one bit. However, I feel it's a worthy topic of discussion.
What isn't acceptable is those on here and beyond is taking an honest discussion and making personal attacks. Keep the discussion going, but do it in an intelligent and polite manner. Be prepared to concede when someone makes a good point and be equally gracious in victory and defeat. Be respectful and "agree to disagree" with courtesy when common ground can't be reached. Respect each other even when you don't agree with their point of view. Don't be afraid to apologize for your behavior when you let your passions get the best of you. You don't have to surrender your position to be a nice and decent human to someone you disagree.
I hope each of you has a wonderful day.
“To crooked eyes truth may wear a wry face” ― J.R.R. Tolkien
I love it when people teach graciousness in the face of racism.
I think the vending machine deserves a tip. I do not want to treat it any differently than a human since it is doing the same job. Also, when the robot overlords take over - and they will - I’d like to think my tips will be a viewed as goodwill towards robot-kind and maybe I won’t find myself meeting an untimely end at their cold steel hands.
I also don’t need some time-traveling robot with an Austrian accent appearing at my door demanding a tip.
@Charlie_Bear - I'd hate for an Amazon drone to sneak behind me and steal my wallet.
@Mike403 oh I didn’t even think of the drones. Good thinking, I guess chains on wallets are coming back 😅
Yes no tips please especially in restaurants
@HumbleBaron So your preference is wait staff all quit and restaurants shut down?
I heard that many wait stuff pulls in more money doing a few hours on a Friday and Saturday than a lot of people get in a 40 hour work week. They would make less if the restaurants paid a normal hourly wage and abolished tipping.
My preference is normal staff better pay for companies to their workers. I shouldnt have to feel bad for people I should give extra when I feel like it and actually had a great service .
@ClubSamwiches please take this at face value. I think I understand what you're saying. If true, then I would hope you're also opposed to the use of cotton, as it too was inextricably linked to and perpetuating the structural racism of the 19th century.
In my reading on the topic today, I found that the history of tipping in the US started in Europe, with the master-serf relationship. American travelers learned of this custom and brought it home, where, yes, in part it became entwined with slavery culture (or racism, or whatever term is most appropriate in your opinion).
But tipping, as has been pointed out, is in common practice in other parts of the world. Assuming however that I accept what YOU say at face value - does the fact that a custom or product used to be associated with evil mean that the thing must be always be evil? Or is it possible that the thing can adapt, change, and grow to have new meaning no longer connected to the old?
@Jubal - Many people still use products that were made by children slaves in China which is worse than just the idea of tipping which has no meaning anymore other than that's how we do things in this country.
How did a discussion that started with tipping (or not tipping) a non-person evolve into race? I, for one agree with tipping a person properly for their service as appropriate. I don’t find tipping a machine or otherwise inanimate object appropriate.