"...until these private companies can proove thier product is safe... things like this bring too much public outcry and is bad for buisness."
The automobile industry got through it. The aircraft industry got through it. The aerospace industry is going through it. The submersible industry will go through it. Nothing is 100% guaranteed risk-free.
There are no good billionaires and there is no good reason to go down there for tourism other than to say you did because it's expensive. It's not even physically impressive like everest.
The only one i feel even slightly bad for was the titanic dive expert but having been down there 35 times he was probably the most aware of the risks and signed on willingly.
@oberon Not only is learning to withstand the incredible pressure of water a physically impressive feat, but you're missing a larger point that is being made over on this other thread:
https://www.cuddlecomfort.com/forum/discussion/17302/limited-mentality#
Without the eccentric nature of billionaires, many of these endeavors would not happen. So, in their own way, billionaires are critical to these efforts.
@TxTom is it “learning”, or is it just going along for the ride? It really seems that the true feat is the tech design (when done correctly!) It seems not even scuba knowledge is required. But perhaps overcoming claustrophobia would be a skill! And I know I’m a bit cynical, but to what endeavors are you referring? And I’m truly curious on this question. Because I see a few people having a look around an old wreck (albeit a famous one that has a lot of story to it) not much of a human endeavor - more a case of “I’ve got a bunch of money and don’t know what else to do with it”. The quest to explore the unseen depths is inspiring and I’m grateful for those explorers - I love seeing new flora and fauna from our amazing planet - but we have universities leading a lot of that pursuit (right? I know I might be mistaken there.) Anyway, quite a shame for the souls lost and the families that remain in grief.
If you fire the people who know more than you, there will be a lot less learning going on. Though I'd say that CEO of the company and everyone who bought a ticket have definitely learned a lesson. It was a mistake they'll never repeat again.
i don't like how they are now playing the "I told you" and even more disgusting and shameful how certain politicians are blaming "wokeness" for this tragedy. It is a sad reminder of the state of our country.
Doing everything the same over and over will never result in innovation and progress. Thinking outside the box is fine. Everyone signed on, knew the risks and despite some red flags went full steam ahead and ultimately paid the price with their lives. Do they really need to pile on? It is sad that 5 people died, I still don't know why they could not test it unmanned at LEAST once, but as @Unscented_Lemon states, they will definitely not repeat this mistake again,
Sometimes everything goes as planned and yet tragedy still happens (Challenger). Heck, were it not for duct tape, the Apollo 13 mission could have been tragic too.
@TxTom what they were doing was not exploration and discovery. They were not pushing new boundaries. It was sightseeing at a mass grave.
@MrAdmirer The issue is that this was done solely for prestige. People paid $250,000 each, not a small sum, to say they've been to the Titanic. And despite this high price tag, corners were cut in the construction, ignoring known safety procedures. Anyone who has worked in tech knows that wireless is inherently less reliable than wired. And that you need backups for your critical systems. All this was omitted to save a few bucks and to be cool.
Very unfortunate occurrence that cost people their lives. Based on what little I have read and seen it was a very reckless, expensive and unsafe endeavor . Probably would think different if this were a scientific exploration to test and discover new opportunities. So sorry for the deceased and their families/friends.
@Unscented_Lemon don't get me wrong, they all took a risk I never would have taken. There were so many red flags. But sadly they all believed it was going to work and wound up paying the ultimate price. Maybe they all drank a bit too much of the hype kool-aid.
Like I said, I just don't like the political posturing that is going on over it. The company can certainly be called out for it though.
@oberon There is technological learning and discovery with every industry that's in its infancy---in this case, underwater/deep-sea tourism. I guarantee this tragedy will result in new procedures, engineering, testing, and regulations. All the industries I referenced earlier have gone/are going/will go through it.
Forget about the specifics of this tragedy, a mere sightseeing tour of the Titanic, and look at it from a broader perspective. Frankly, I don't how to elaborate this point any other way.
@EthanNeedsHeld Without the rich paying $10,000 each for that initial batch of big, flat-screen TVs, the industry would never get to scale, and those TVs would still be $10,000.
I'm not rich, but I sure get tired of the rich being portrayed only as spoiled frat boys who fulfill no purpose in a capitalist economy. Many of the ultra wealthy are very eccentric, I'll grant you. But they serve a very important purpose in the overall picture.
I don't begrudge them their wealth. Instead of denouncing them, I try to learn from them.
Edit @EthanNeedsHeld I'm not implying that you are necessarily dumping on the rich, but it happens often in these forums.
Yeah nothing like being paid 250k for a one way trip.
Prestige?
Sounds like laziness and ignorance for the sake of the ego, nothing less. They knew it wasn't up to par, they could've done a better route for safety, actually put money into making it safe according to pressures of the ocean, fired the professional that said so and decided not to. Infinite money and still dumb enough to not realize they the only thing priceless that you can't buy your way out of is losing your life.
Oh. Happy fathers day to the terrified 19 year old that got to implode with his ignorant father who persuaded him to come even though he was terrified. A fucking terrible waste for a young adult who could've done so much more in this life.👋
Yep.
I do not have much sympathy on that front.
I feel for them as individuals, it is a horrific way to lead up to your death ....
but scientifically, upon research to variables ....the 30 milliseconds it takes for the implosion to happen, with a heat that reaches that of the suns surface temperature, they may have had mental and emotional anguish, but their death would be quicker than even suffocating from lack of oxygen or drowning for same reasonings.
Maybe leave the poor souls of a historical and tragic wreckage whom couldn't leave due to ignorance for safety in the number of life boats and lack of funds and social standing to live, alone.
There's lots that could be said, many opinions, plenty of room for discussion on what was done right/wrong, who is at fault, the timing to flood news/streaming from other things....etc, etc All that is fine to discuss, but the memes, jokes and "funny" comments are so disturbing to me. There are people dead and families who are hurting. It's not a joking matter. I'm happy I have not seen it here.
@Lisa123 Yep . As someone in hospice who sees death all the time , it's no laughing matter or excuse to feel self righteous about. Everybody grieves when they lose someone they love . Can you imagine the circumstances of your loved ones death being exploited for public fodder?
This submersible tragedy will lead to improved and more rigorous standards, as did the tragedy of the Titanic.
Every tragedy does: The launchpad fire that killed the three astronuats, Grissom, White, and Chaffee, that lead to mechanical improvements. The Challenger disaster that led to more weight given to engineers' veto over administrators... the examples are endless.
The individual deaths are always tragic, but the unfortunate event probably saves lives in the long run.
That $250k is gross, not net. There are considerable expenses involved in overall operations. I'm not defending the extremely poor judgement of the CEO. His company is finished. But others in this industry will not be left unaffected by this.
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@MikeRams Are personal insults against others called for?
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Well said @EthanNeedsHeld and TxTom. @TxTom I agree with your comment about some billionaires serving an important purpose. The same goes for some of the eccentric, adventurous and the movers and shakers. I'm none of those things but we need some of those people. The world could not turn if everyone was like me.
@Unscented_Lemon Good point! Wireless is inherently less reliable than wired, but I never hear anyone say that.