By the way, anyone who thinks being male/female is a simple matter of having XX or XY chromosomes might be surprised to know it's not that simple. Read this article on chromosomal variations from the World Health Organization.
http://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html
And then there's androgen insensitivity syndrome: people whose bodies appear female but they have XY chromosomes.
Nature is a lot more complex that it can appear at first glance. If there's a variation, it will probably turn up.
'@snughugs " 'These people don't/shouldn't' exist isn't an opinion."
You have deliberately twisted this discussion into something completely different from the original premise. Didn't you wonder why as the OP I went silent? Because I refuse to have the argument that you're obviously trying to turn this into in which you get to make up my argument and place them in my mouth before shooting them down with your perfectly timed responses. I am not interested in taking part in your strawman arguments.'
Honestly, I assumed it was because I blocked you long before this thread for not taking 'no' for an answer when you tried to private message me, but whatever, dude. Also, that reply wasn't to you, but I'd love to live in your world where everything IS about oneself.
I'll humor you though and give you one last reply since you seem so desperate to contact and talk to me personally even when I'm clearly not speaking to you (did the fact I referenced Superman and dogs, which somebody else above me directly mentioned and you didn't, not clue you in to who I was talking to? Of course it did, you just chose to scapegoat me because I rejected you).
I have not twisted anything - all of my replies have been directly in response to the other people who have chimed in on this thread as their opinions matter as well as your own. As the OP you do not 'own' this thread or control what it turns into. All discussion is the product of a natural evolution and debate of ideas. If you only want people to discuss your opinion then maybe you should start talking to yourself instead.
I'm not trying to get you to argue anything - I actually blocked you because I DON'T want to talk to you. And if you'll notice all of my replies have been either about my own opinion or in response to other people. That's for a reason.
It's interesting that you seemed so focused that I, personally, am putting words into your mouth, when there are MANY people here who disagree with you and have stated their own opinions just like I have. I find it VERY interesting that you have singled me personally out to have this tantrum about. I'm actually a little flattered that you care enough to keep the vendetta going this long. But thanks for calling the timing of my responses perfect - I don't think having a well thought out argument is especially against the rules here, and I don't think hurting your feelings by disagreeing with you is either.
I'm not interested in you either, buddy, so leave me alone and stop trying to scapegoat me personally because I didn't want to cuddle you way back when. Ok? Ok.
"Honestly, I assumed it was because I blocked you long before this thread for not taking 'no' for an answer when you tried to private message me, but whatever, dude. Also, that reply wasn't to you, but I'd love to live in your world where everything IS about oneself.
I'll humor you though and give you one last reply since you seem so desperate to contact and talk to me personally even when I'm clearly not speaking to you (did the fact I referenced Superman and dogs, which somebody else above me directly mentioned and you didn't, not clue you in to who I was talking to? Of course it did, you just chose to scapegoat me because I rejected you)."
You're deluding yourself none of my original post in this thread was directed at you. Ironically I didn't realise that you are trans before you replied to this thread. I have no idea why you blocked me but I don't care. I put it down to you just exercising your right to choose not to cuddle someone anyone for any reason, ironically a right that you refuse to me. If I being cynical I might have put your decision to block me down to the fact that I had just revealed to you that I had recently had a stroke and was in hospital and maybe you don't like temporarily disabled people. But thankfully I'm not that cynical so I won't suspect that.
I have the IMPECCABLE SOLUTION undeniable, straightforward:
Just say you are a TRANS-WOMEN. Smh, Because that's what you are! The TS shouldn't be ashamed that they are "Respectively a different type of woman."
I have 0% prejudice against Gay or Transexual people but honestly these topics where people get defensive and attack a man that has a God given right to know WHAT SOMEONE BIOLOGICAL GENDER IS , is downright idiotic and RIDICULOUS! I truly can't believe how psychologically people convince themselves with nonsense with Cunning wordplay
"Well ummm you see there is CIS, ummm then your biological gender, but really a woman if you feel like one...." Smh X 5
A TRANS-WOMAN will ALWAYS BE A TRANS-WOMAN
FACTS!
"attack a man that has a God given right to know WHAT SOMEONE BIOLOGICAL GENDER IS"
Read that again.
Men on here think they have a "God-given right" to know about specific women's genitals. No, read it again. It really says that.
Someone WROTE THAT. Unironically.
This is absolutely amazing.
What world am I in right now?
No, no you do not. You don't get to know someone's gender, someone's assigned-sex-at-birth, someone's name, someone's age, or any other information about someone who isn't you. None of this information is anything you have a right to. You have the right to your own body and knowledge of that thing, and that's it. Full stop.
Men on this thread = head desk
@SacralHeart777
You may have 0% discrimination towards LGBTQA... but your post is FULL of prejudice, cis-male entitlement, and straight-up misogyny.
SMH, indeed. ?
Well this topic got heated fast. Sadly it looks like it might have to be closed soon.
attack a man that has a God given right to know WHAT SOMEONE BIOLOGICAL GENDER IS
In general terms you definitely do not have a right to know this type of information. That said, I suppose you could argue that there are particular scenarios where there is a "right" (if you want to call it that) to know.
For example, if you're on the dating scene as a cis-male, you have a right to know if the woman you are dating is a lesbian. This is to prevent wasting a significant emotional investment with someone you are unlikely to have a romantic future with. I can see this same argument applying to a cis-trans scenario too. Even if prospective children are put aside, romantic preferences for some are critical to future potential.
@Mark
I actually fully agree with you.
The only thing I would add is that no one has the right to just KNOW for whatever reason.
It’s like, IRL, we don’t all wear signs showing all our stats. That would be pretty awful and dystopian, IMNSHO.
But we can see some people’s stats just by sight and sound and whatnot. We’ll probably share more with people that we have an interest in talking to.
But we needn’t share EVERYTHING about us to EVERYBODY. That’s not a right. That’s a violation of privacy.
Regarding the site, it’s always best to talk to the person a bit before moving off-site. For a myriad of reasons — but I think this kind of worry (is it a cis-woman or a trans-woman) could also be most easily solved in a one-on-one conversation.
I think the problem is with the word "right" then. A better word would be "expectation". I would expect that if you are a reasonably decent person, you would not withhold information that is likely critical to whether we continue dating.
@Mark I gather they are claiming that it wouldn't any of your business which ever stage of relationship you are in, and the fact that you would have preference is unacceptable.
@natural_oceans Um, nope. Don’t think anyone on this thread has said that, actually.
I feel Mark is completely reasonable that the word ‘right’ is particularly troublesome. It makes me think I need to drop trou anytime anyone wants to ‘make sure’ I’m a woman.
But, yes, if you’re a reasonable person of course you wouldn’t withhold information that is critical to whether you keep dating.
I do wonder what would fall under the ‘critical’ category as to a more general category... but I think that gender identity and expression would most likely fall under critical.
@Mark voice of reason!
You can't expect people who are lying to themselves to be honest with you.
In before thread closes.
Also I still want to cuddle with @Rei.
Not only cute but can talk "nerd" while cuddling.
Win-Win. Or as Heffalumps say "Winnie the Pooh-Winnie the Pooh".
@chococuddles I miss @Rei . Big age gap but she is an old soul. Refreshing to see someone so comfy in their skin.
@pmvines Agreed. And I miss quite a few people who have taken a break on here.
Their energy was appreciated and greatly missed.
@chococuddles Do you feel like an old fart on here too when you think of the people who have come and gone while we are still here?
@pmvines Indeedy, I do! A little piece of me fades away when someone disappears but a new piece appears when others enter my life on here. Silly little heart game.
@AndiCuddles
Have your opinion all you want, That's your God given right
Try to convince yourself with all kinds of word play jargon, but you and all the supporters on here of the idea that Transgender or Transexuals having physical contact with a natural born genetic male-(CIS-MALE) have no obligation to reveal that they are a Trans is downright DELUSIONAL AND IMMATURE! Smh Y'all live in Fictional "Poly-Anna" world and I'm also talking to you Docile men on here too scared to speak up.
You all here Ranting, attacking and enforcing your idea about how MEN SHOULD FEEL ABOUT THIS MATTER instead of respecting the fact a huge amount of men indeed would be offended by this not being revealed. And even worse this can lead to physical assault and even Death. Has this not happened many times over the years??? Yes? No?
Fact is You know it has happened. I once was told a story by a Co-worker that a guy he knew got enraged about not being informed that the woman he was dealing with was a Transexual and he LITERALLY stabbed her. you people on here convincing TS that it's okay to are actually LEADING THEM DOWN A DANGEROUS ROAD.
Also you want to label me as a misogynist and talk about "CIS male entitlement" Smh So many Gay and Transgender Rights nowadays so prominent (Which is good respectfully the long way they have come and deserve it for enduring the struggle)
Even Women's right more than ever (Which is also great)
But anytime a CIS-MALE speaks about his rights it's shunned???? We at the bottom of the pole trying to be suppressed.
Smh Well NOT HERE. you won't silence me ever, not any woman, Transgender or men on here.
I am that old school male that fully embrace Manhood, being a warrior, speaking up and even defiance when it comes to it. I will not tuck my tail between my legs for no one You going to have to get used to it when you run across Me in these forums Or agree to disagree.
And to anyone reading that doesn't like my views, that want to try a Sour route of Trying to report me, it won't work. Because I'll never disrespect, harass or use obscene language on here
Everyone is allowed to have boundaries. It's really dismissive to imply that it's merely a preference when talking about an intimate activity where someone will be touching you. There could be trauma issues, we don't know.
For platonic cuddling, 99% of the time genitals won't be involved, but occasionally there might be something inadvertent. If someone is being the big spoon to your little spoon you might be able to tell if they have a penis or not, and that's definitely something you should get to choose.
This site allows you to pick your own handle, and you only disclose your picture publicly if you choose, so it seems pretty safe to be forthright about your characteristics. Save your real name and face for later if it's a concern. From a practical standpoint, why would you waste your time talking to someone whose requirements you don't meet? They'll just decline to meet later anyway.
Plain and simple solution: There should be a Transexual/Transgender section in "Cuddlecomfort" Any TS that gets enraged or defiant to that would indicate a Psychological issue of Shame or unacceptance of a aspect of their being. I have met numerous TS/TG that proudly always say what they are.
Unbelievable that people can do so much "Psycho-babble" and cunning word play to say "TS/TG is a woman point blank. Being a man or women from time immemorial always meant GENETICALLY not a mental state of what you feel like or a philosophy. And you will be at odds with the majority of people with that idea in unnecessary defiance. Instead of always embracing your DISTINCTIVE uniqueness
@macaron Well said.
This is 100% My argument
This has become too heated now. Closing thread.