Lol @jdev25 lol that used to be a prompt question we were supposed to answer. You probably see that more often in older accounts.
@Cuddlesofcuddle The audacity to copy your bio word for word! I would have been seething and that laugh would have gotten a block. lol
The mods have been super helpful when I've reached out for bio plagiarism if you ever run into that again. I hope not though! 💜
@jdev25 Dually noted. That's definitely in my bio. 😅 To be fair, that is the prompt.. 😅😅😅😅
If the person who did the plagiarizing also has very similar real life experience, values, and truly offers similar cuddling, then I wouldn’t have a problem at all. As long as it wasn’t exactly the same. As long as he or she added their own style to the profile.,
Someone mentioned using AI. There is nothing wrong with using AI responsibly. What I mean by that is not doing a copy and paste directly from an AI generated profile. I use AI, but what I do is write the profile (or letter, or Poscast, or email, or resume) first - drop it into an AI engine and then give it an equally long list of instructions - such as what the purpose is, who exactly my audience is, and some background information about me and what I’m looking for. - Then when I get that reply - I rewrite the profile (or whatever the project is) and blending both, and rewording each selecting the best of both (AI is rarely the best at everything).
I think of it as having a marketing / advertising / and psychology specialist that at is either free, or as the most charges $20 a month as a consultant.
(And before people loose their minds - I’m talking about in general - not cuddling. I am an enthusiast and do NOT charge - marketing/ advertising/ psychologist reference are for other projects).
I'm not surprised to hear it was a prompt at one time, but I don't feel like that makes it any better. Think of it this way. You know how they ask the Miss America contestants some question like "If you ruled the world and had the power to make a single change to benefit society, what would you change?" And then you sit and listen to them repeat it verbatim... "If I ruled the world and had the power to make a single change to benefit society, what I would change is..." Yeah, it's like that. It's terrible lol. Maybe that's why it's no longer a prompt, because people were citing it verbatim instead of simply responding to it naturally.
Just for curiosity…🤔
How would a regular “Joe Schmoe “ like me , know who plagiarized who first ? I’m thinking you can’t always go by join date ….
I’m also thinking this is one of those report driven type scenarios where I would report two profiles that are the same and file a report . How often does it happen ? Maybe the mods can let us know how prevalent this is here ? 🤔
@OhioMike why would you report it at all? Unless it's your profile they are copying. It's maybe rude but I don't think it's report worthy except maybe by the other pro who originally wrote it.
@AngelNextDoor I've had new pros, over the years, ask me if they could use my profile or parts of it. I tell them yes it's fine with me. That I'd prefer they change a few words to make it their own. But honestly they're usually in a different part of the country.
@MeltMyWay I haven’t had to make a report like that I believe . Is there a way to resolve the plagiarism without reporting it to site ?
🤔. But back to my first point … how do you know who plagiarized who?
@OhioMike I totally agree with you — I don’t think a random third person necessarily could know who wrote something first just from looking at two similar profiles, and join date definitely wouldn’t prove it. 😊
As for spotting plagiarism, I mentioned inconsistencies between someone’s bio and their ads/posts earlier might be an indicator that one or both are stolen from someone else. That might make you go “huh, that doesn’t really sound like the same person” 😂
I think the person whose work was copied would really be the only one in a position to establish that, because they may have their original posts, older ads, screenshots, timestamps, drafts, etc. That’s also why I think it’s something better handled privately with moderators rather than other members trying to play plagiarism detective in the forum. 😇
Asking permission makes that a totally different situation. If someone says “I love how you did this, would you mind if I used it as a starting point?” and the original Pro says yes, there’s consent there. I’d personally still want someone to make it genuinely their own, but I wouldn’t consider that the same thing as quietly taking someone else’s work.
I’m actually curious about Mike’s other question too — I have no idea how frequently moderators encounter this. Apparently from some of the Pros commenting here, though, it’s definitely not unheard of. 😅
@AngelNextDoor there have been other forum posts about this but I believe they were all posted in the pros only page of the forum.
@OhioMike in this circumstance it would not be your place to get involved or to try to figure out who plagiarized who. I guess if you really felt compelled to do anything you could contact BOTH of the pros who are in question and make them BOTH aware that the other pros account looks really similar to theirs. And then simply walk away from the matter. But honestly I wouldn't even go that far. Moderators don't even police situations like that and honestly if you asked some I would bet that wouldn't want to be bothered by it.
@MeltMyWay @AngelNextDoor Thank you for the conversation and feedback 🙏🏼
It’s obviously a topic I’m aware of and reading your comments here , I do appreciate them ! 😊.
I have visited and read your profiles and they are excellent and something to be grateful for!
If I knew a profile was plagiarized, I wouldn’t reach out/book with them. Specifically, because I don’t know if they’re a real person or not. If they are, it’s a red flag because it just means I don’t know anything about them. While it can be hard to put everything in one profile, at least writing something original tells me something. A plagiarized profile just keeps that person hidden even more.
I always make sure I read profiles. It’s the only way I can really make any determination about the other person. But I have had several pros who don’t keep up with what is written in my profile or messages. It’s a bit annoying how much I have to repeat myself. In those early messages.
@MeltMyWay Thank you so much for the heads up!! 🥰 I posted there as well but I will check it out.
@OhioMike Any time, my love!
@cfdanny Your words are encouraging!! 😇 Thank you for sharing!
lol men don’t care about that!
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I literally have to rewrite most of my rules in our messages because they don’t read the profile
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@Allure22 Lol! True and I had to do that countless times, nowadays I don't even bother OVER REPEATING myself within pm exchanges anymore. 😏
Especially with the men that come out and say within the FIRST message: "I really like your picture". That "opening alone" tells me that no profile reading ever took place! Lol 🤣🤣🤣
I received a message like that this morning in my inbox, I politely rejected him...And then I blocked him, as I felt a "fat, ugly bitch" insult was coming. Lol! They usually toss out insults, after being half ass "complimentary" first thing. HA! 🤣😁
I see a number that look AI assisted. Sometimes I see very similar phrasing when describing how cuddling releases oxytocin etc., but not everybody is comfortable writing so it’s not like it’s a deal breaker for me.
And I ALWAYS read their profiles including the fields below - and while I’m very comfortable initiating a conversation at any level, I’m always interested to see their fav tv shows and movies and they make good conversation openers as well.
Suggestion box: add in fav bands…
I read profiles all the way through.
I read profiles for sure-and the ones who put extra effort into theirs are the most interesting to me.
I don’t like the idea of someone copy/pasting from someone else’s profile, because I want an idea of someone’s personality before I message or ask to book them. Maybe a few basic things wouldn’t bother me, but stealing outright seems wrong.
Okay, see, THIS is why I wanted to hear from more of the men! 😂 We had a few Pros basically tell me, “Girl, they aren't reading any of that,” and now several of you are coming in like EXCUSE ME, I READ THE ENTIRE THING. 😭
@WestsideMarc — I completely agree that AI assistance by itself wouldn't bother me either. I use AI! 😂 Not everybody enjoys writing or knows how to turn what they're thinking into something polished, and I don't think getting help expressing your own personality makes the end result inauthentic.
Where it gets weird to me is when another person's writing becomes the source material — whether someone literally copy/pastes it or feeds it into AI and says “rewrite this so it sounds different.” At that point AI hasn't really solved the originality problem; it's just made the copying slightly harder to recognize. 😂
And I LOVE that you use favorite shows/movies as conversation starters because that's exactly why those little profile details matter! They're giving you an actual person to start a conversation with instead of 47 variations of “I love cuddling and making people feel comfortable.” 😂 Also YES to favorite bands/music. I need to flesh that out better in my profile.
@Goonie4life — THANK YOU. 😂 You and the other profile readers are single-handedly restoring my faith that I'm not spending all that time writing mine for an audience of absolutely nobody.
@hugpoweredhuman — your answer gets right to what I was originally curious about. If you're using the profile to get a feel for someone's personality before deciding whether to message/book them, then originality actually matters. The profile isn't just informational at that point; it's part of how you're deciding whether this particular person feels like someone you'd connect with.
And I think your distinction between “a few basic things” and outright stealing is important too. There's obviously going to be overlap. We're professional cuddlers — approximately 98% of us are eventually going to use the words “comfortable,” “affectionate,” “safe,” and “boundaries.” 😂 Nobody owns those concepts.
What feels different to me is when someone has clearly put effort into developing a distinctive profile/voice/description and another person lifts enough of it that they're essentially borrowing the personality being presented, not merely the vocabulary.
That's actually the part I'm most curious about from the client side: if you discovered AFTER booking someone that the profile that attracted you to them was substantially copied from another Pro, would that change how you viewed them? 👀
Because THAT was really the question rattling around in my head when I started this thread. 😂
@MelNYC @cuddlefaery I wanted to tag you both here since some of the conversation on my other post touched on the topic of plagiarism. 😊 This is the discussion I was referring to over there, and it's specifically about plagiarism and the different perspectives people have on it.
Since you both had thoughts on the subject, I thought you might be interested in joining the conversation here as well. 💜
@AngelNextDoor @cuddlefaery Do you not find it a bit strange to tag someone in a post shortly after you’ve blocked them for having the audacity to disagree with you? I’d ask that you don’t continue to do so. Best wishes on your journey here.
I don't believe I have tagged you, MelNYC? Nor that either of us have blocked each other?
To be fair, if you block someone they don't get a notification unless they try to message or view your profile. If they're only interacting on the forums, they may not realize they're unintentionally circumventing a block. I've tried to make it a habit to click on someone's profile before I tag them in the forums for this reason. That way I can see if either of us has blocked and if I've saved any notes on their profile 🤷🏻♀️
@AngelNextDoor I'm good, thanks. I was specifically responding to the comments and OP of your other post - I did not need to be redirected. I have spoken on this topic previously in other threads about profile and forum plagiarism, which is why I did not feel the need to participate in this one.
I know this is hilariously hypocritical, but people don't tend to appreciate unsolicited advice.
Not you @cuddlefaery! I was referring to Angel who tagged me here (after blocking me)
I have several criteria (age, price, time since last online, and distance) so I only see a select number of profiles. If a profile appears on my radar, the next thing I look at are the photos - yes photos to tell me a lot about who I’m going to be meeting. It’s only after that that I look at the profile. For cuddlers I want to meet - I read all of it. I almost always look at any new profiles which appear in my criteria, so I can usually tell the low effort copycat profiles (at least for new cuddlers in my search radius). Low effort profile doesn’t have to correlate with a low effort cuddle session - but since that’s what my mind registers - I’ll probably wont book them. However, it also goes the other way - if I see a sentence in a well written profile like “pros I can see you - please don’t copy my profile” it does give me a certain kind of feeling - and I usually don’t book those pros. I can’t put my finger on it - but maybe a feeling that the pro might be territorial and might get upset that I’m booking with other pros as well as them - I’ve had pros pull that on me and it’s just not a pleasant interaction.
Some people aren't confident in writing out a profile. If they see one that says what they want to say and copy it....isn't that the same as buying a greeting card?
I don't see the problem.
I read profiles because I have a long one too so I understand it takes time to write and people put thought into it and plus I'm not in a rush, it's not like picking a quick fast food time lol.
I enjoy your profile @AngelNextDoor ☺️
@MrKinder except the people who wrote the greeting card were (usually) compensated and put their product out into the world with the intention of it being copied and circulated.
People generally don't assume that their personal bio is going to be copied and circulated. After all, a profile is supposed to be descriptive of the person behind it - not describing someone else. Further, the person whose profile is copied doesn't get compensated in any way, and if they are a pro they may even have material loss due to stolen clientele.
@cuddlefaery I guess I have an informal attitude towards cuddling and not the legal route
I may have a habit of not letting things bother me as much as they should. Oops.
@MrKinder and that's fine if it works for you. But for pros it may be their livelihood. Even for some other enthusiasts like myself it can bug us as being unethical and a violation of consent - which is antithetical to a community that is consent based.
It costs nothing to message someone to ask permission to use their words. Probably most wouldn't care - when I was a pro I had several pros request to use parts of my profile and I was happy they found it useful. But the major difference was they asked rather than taking without credit and without consent.
I've argued on here before in other threads both about the importance of asking for consent for not just touch, but also intellectual property and any other human interaction. I've also argued among pros that the reality in this industry and other niche communities that "borrowing" or outright stealing of ideas is a reality we have to deal with. But we get to choose how we deal with the issue - others don't get to tell us we're wrong for having our consent and autonomy violated.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying this as an attack against you, @MrKinder , but rather arguing the perspective you seem to be dismissing. Not letting things bother you is generally a great philosophy to have a less stressful life - but that doesn't mean it's ok to be dismissive when others are bothered.
If I caught a pro plagiarizing someone else's profile word for word, I would consider that to be a red flag.
@AngelNextDoor Thank you for starting this thread. I think the number of thoughtful replies offered provide a good barometer of how much your questions have resonated with so many people here. I would also add that a lot of the folks who have chosen to respond in this thread have particularly exceptional profiles.
I always read the entire profiles of anyone who interests me. And reread the profiles of people I reach out to at least several times so I can respond thoughtfully. I do not spend any time trying to discern if someone has plagiarized the profile they present, as there wouldn't be any way for me to confirm or disprove such an allegation. However, it is common for me to receive immediate appreciation from members that I actually read and comprehended their profile when I do reach out with a message. Leading me to believe that, sadly, it is a relatively uncommon experience in Chicago, and maybe the Midwest (for the traveling pros)?
Personally, I look for authenticity ( @SpicyNSweet @cuddlefaery @mauvefox @MeltMyWay @SunsetSnuggles @Nima &more), and a balance pros offer between creating a safe space, by providing commonsense requirements, as well as a stated desire to create a positive experience for their clients (you Angel, @SpaciousBreath @GentleEmbrace94 and @MelNYC would be great examples). At the same time, profiles that lean too heavily into the latter, while conveying any sign of AI's overused metaphors, and vague non-specific word salad, just do nothing for me. Be willing to put yourself out there, or show me you've put some thoughtful consideration into the experience you want to provide... or reaching out to you isn't going to be my priority.
However, all my experience here has also led me to believe that I am very much in the minority in how I am choosing to cultivate my own experience. And after I have had an in-person or remote experience with someone, I only revisit their profile to make sure I am informed about whatever is going on with them that we may have not had the opportunity to personally share. Basing my desire to re-engage entirely on how the person carried themselves and showed up during and after our initial experience.
I believe our personal experiences very much reflect the energy, thoughtfulness and grace we put out... Not all of the time, but frequently enough that it matters. And I, for one, can definitely tell you, that the only reason I read thru this thread and took the time to respond was based entirely on the thought and time I perceived you put into it, and how I saw that reflected in the excellent responses you have received. I have always been a fan of the life lessons John Wooden taught: That we should be assessed by the effort we provide... as we have zero control over the response of others... but, if it is helpful at all, your effort inspired me. 🙏 🤗
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