@quixotic_life That is a complete lie intended to trivialize a human rights violation perpetrated against males, because protecting females is more important.
Male genital mutilation reduces the amount of pleasure a man is able to experience by about 90%. Sometimes less, sometimes more. Female circumcision does the same thing to a woman. The foreskin is just as important for a male as the clitoris is for a female.
@pmvines What you just said is beyond ridiculous.
The non-therapeutic, surgical removal of a layer of skin is absolutely mutilation. Any non-therapeutic removal of tissue is mutilation, the operative word being non therapeutic. 100% of infant circumcisions are non therapeutic.
And to deny that male genital mutilation is a serious a human rights violation that should be taken just as seriously as female genital mutilation is sexist.
@MountainCuddles
Well.... If nothing else at least this is all happening in an "Unpopular Opinion" thread.
Silly me for referring to facts here! Ooops! My bad.
@MountainCuddles nothing at all similar to female circumcision if you believe it is comparable then you are the one who is beyond ridiculous . You seem to have resentment about women's rights being cared about more than men's which, well, just check your history books on women's rights but whatever . But even if you carry resentment and feel there is a double standard, you are seriously over reaching by trying to compare these two things . Apples and raspberries , not even close .
Shockingly, ketchup didn't get nearly the emotionally charged opinion as circumcision did........and mustard, pickles and selectively placed genitalia piercings were totally ignored.... yet........... cuddling is still awesome.... which here is still a popular opinion..... love and respect to all....
I told my partner that if our baby was a boy, he and the doctors would have to get through me to circumcise him. Let's just say that all forms of genital mutilation suck and take it out of the ridiculous realm of competition. Just ow, ok? Ow, ow, ow all around.
I hate sweet pickles and relish . Love me some dill pickles though
@Sewcuddler ~ lol 👍💓
@Sewcuddler I hate genital piercings too. BUT, as long as it's not being done to non consenting persons, I don't care.
@quixotic_life Nope, not facts. Lies intended to perpetuate the crime of MGM.
@pmvines Once again, taking a knife to someone's genitals for any reason is a violent crime, and a human rights abuse.
And I don't care if it's "just skin." That's the most ridiculous excuse I've ever heard to abuse a child. Since when was cutting skin not mutilation? How about cutting a finger, but only the skin? I guess skinning a finger is not mutilation?
If male circumcision is not mutilation, then the removal of a female's clitoral hood is also not mutilation. That's also skin. But it's still considered female genital mutilation under international law.
If you're not in favor of men being fully protected from genital mutilation as women are, you are sexist against men, full stop.
It's an absolutely criminal offense against a minor and the adult he will become.
@littermate Yes! Thank you!
@AceCuddlerMike Yes! It's absolutely ridiculous that the majority opinion is that MGM is a trivial issue.
Two words: balanitis and phimosis. These two conditions are only found in uncircumcised men. The second is extremely painful and can lead to severe infection. But medical science must be spending too much time in 398.2 according to some lay people that believe they know better than trained scientists.
I'm not really a fan of Lord Of The Rings. I'm also not the biggest fan of super-hero movies (though I do like a few of them).
Yes @MountainCuddles sure , I don't agree with your comparison so I am clearly sexist against men 🙄
I don't like beer
The interlacing of the pickles and relish and ketchup with the genital cutting discussion is deeply pleasing to me. Let's have a little human absurdity with our grim battles.
@Pmvines If you believe it's acceptable for parents, doctors, and moHELLs to abuse boys, and specifically boys, then yeah you are sexist against men.
@FunCartel One word: breast cancer (well, technically two words). Only found in women that did not undergo preemptive double mastectomy.
Oh snap! @FlyingToaster ~ How did I miss beer on my list? Nearly every function I attend where I'm offered a beer and pass, I'm looked at like I'm a crazy person. God forbid someone from a micro-brew mecca not like beer! Lol ~ More for them and I can still drive. 💁♀️
@littermate ah yes the absurdity
@MountainCuddles you have a very strong opinion and disposition on the subject . That doesn't make it fact and no, me not sharing your disposition that male and female circumcision are not different in procedure, harm and intent does not make me sexist against men. I realize you are against male circumcision and that is perfectly ok , as are a growing number of people. You can phrase things however you like and try really hard to prove why you are correct in your assertion that I am wrong for not sharing your outrage , but no , that does not make me sexist against men. This is literally the last time I respond to this. The last word is all yours if you want it .....
@SweetCamiXO waffles are definitely better than pancakes but French Toast is better than waffles. Just saying.
Oh & I like lamp.
@SweetCamiXO @AveryK84 I have both of you beat. Crepes with powdered sugar and cheese blintzes .breakfast just got fancy whatcha gonna do about it 😊
@quixotic_life That's what I was told, by a man who'd had it done. Fortunately, I wasn't convinced.
Maybe it's what he was told. Maybe it's how he tried to rationalise it ; like some women think that getting battered by their husband, is his way of trying to help her be a better wife.
The worst aspect of mistreatment, is making the victim think it is for their own good ; because that also perpetuates the practice into the next generation. Pit ponies had their vocal cords cut, so if one got hurt, its cries wouldn't upset the others ; cheaper than stopping them getting hurt.
The difficulty with male circumcision, is that it is routinely practiced by the Jewish faith, and anyone criticising them, risks being labelled "anti-Semitic". Is it practiced I wonder, at least in part, to make it harder for a Jew to deny their faith ; as the disciple Peter did three times, to avoid being killed ( if I remember ) ?
For most of human history, men have written and enforced the law ; so women were only protected, by men who opted to do so. Slavery of black people was similarly abolished, by some white people thinking it was bad. The most radical thinkers, tend to focus on the wellbeing of the groups with the least voice ; although children are still children, even if they are of the "ruling class".
Testicular cancer is avoided by castration, but I'd like to make that choice myself, and only when it becomes necessary.
@quixotic_life Beer. Agreed. I have to tell people that I'm a recovering alcoholic.
The discussion on male / female circumcision AKA genital mutilation, seems to me rather like the #BlackLivesMatter / #AllLivesMatter debate.
Saying specifically that one group of society needs protecring, does rather imply that other groups don't ; or don't need as much. We cannot all be paid more than average. If everyone is prioritised, then no-one is prioritised ; a race in which everyone is equal first, is a race in which everyone is equal last.
Those who have endured a situation, sometimes want others to endure it, so the pain is shared. More often they are the ones who best understand the effect, and are hence most keen to eradicate it. We who have not, and in the case of forced child circumcision are no longer at risk of it, can only imagine it. One of the best measures of a society, is how well it treats those who have no voice.
@littermate The thought of cylindrical objects and red fluids, is making me squirm.
Most people have a strong opinion and disposition regarding FGM. That doesn’t make it fact either.
Even if you don’t believe they’re the same, my argument still stands. If you believe girls should be completely untouched when it comes to genital cutting, but you don’t believe the same should apply to boys, then there can be no way around the fact that you are biased against men and boys. If you are not in favor of genital autonomy for men, you are 100% sexist.
It’s like if there were a practice imposed on girls in which they had to have a finger amputated as a rite of passage; and a less severe practice imposed on boys in which they had to have a finger only skinned, but not amputated. And it’s like saying we should only be discussing the issue of severing an entire finger, because it’s more severe than skinning a finger. Because one is more severe, the other should be ignored; when both are human rights violations.
And if you were to argue that girls should be protected from any invasive ritual involving a finger, including “just” skinning, but “just” skinning should be allowed for boys, then yeah that makes you sexist. Because you are in favor of full protection for girls, but only “partial” protection for boys.
And by the way, MGM and FGM are much more similar to each other than skinning a finger is to severing an entire finger. Skinning a finger is excruciatingly painful at the time, but the skin may at least be able to grow back. But the male foreskin is similar in function to the female clitoris when it comes to one’s ability to experience pleasure. And the foreskin does not grow back, unlike finger skin. Foreskin is much more than just skin.
I’m Jewish (in terms of ethnicity, not religion). And there’s nothing more anti-Semitic than MGM. MGM is indeed imposed on Jews as something akin to a tribal tattoo. More so than the Jewish faith, it is imposed on Jewish men in order to make it more difficult for them to deny “their” tribe. And yet, I still don’t consider myself part of their tribe.
One of the major reasons that MGM continues unabated is indeed due to the fear of being called “anti-Semitic.” About 86% of Danish citizens are against MGM and in favor a ban on MGM, same as FGM. And there was recently a motion in the Danish government to impose a ban on MGM. But the efforts to ban it were stymied due to international Zionist pressure. The Danish prime minister herself stated that she changed her mind on MGM (she was previously against in, and now in favor of it). And her reasoning was literally “because Holocaust”! She stated that Denmark will always be protective of Jews, honoring the legacy of the Danish resistance during WWII. Oh, but that doesn’t include protecting Jewish infant boys. I guess you don’t really want to protect Jews then.
Apparently, the deeds of the Nazis against the Jews somehow makes it ok for Jews to treat their own children the way the Nazis treated them!
@MountainCuddles "it is imposed on Jewish men in order to make it more difficult for them to deny “their” tribe." I guessed right. 👍
Your explanation makes me wonder how many male Jews were killed in the Holocaust, who would have survived if they could have denied their faith, but were unable to do so, because of a procedure imposed on them at birth ?
There is surely something wrong with any organisation, which is so insecure that it must make it impossible for people to leave it.
Religious people think their life on Earth, is just like the departure lounge waiting for their flight to the afterlife. Maybe that view is reinforced by earthly suffering, like most lottery tickets are bought by poor people who have no other hope for a comfortable life.
I dont care for pasta. Kinda got used to not eating it when I cut out starches and truthfully I dobt really miss it
Not really big on hot tea . I realize it's more a regional and cultural thing but even when I lived in New England with a South African wife who was very much influenced by British habits , I still just couldn't really get into it.
Sports , particularly college football, I find completley unappealing. I know that can get me shot living in the southeast but I'll take my chances
Dont care a whole bunch about science fiction , such as star wars , star trek, dr who etc. The comic book character movies are ok but I didn't grow up caring about or following that stuff either