@beaubliss While I'm all for vetting people, Karma is not the best or only way. Telling people to avoid those without Karma just means that those people can never build Karma. Isn't this an obvious flaw in your theory?
I never care if someone has no Karma. I care how they message me, what their profile says, how they behave consistently here on the message board.
We all started with zero Karma. There's being safe, and there's punishing newbies for no valid reason.
Further reading on this subject:
https://www.cuddlecomfort.com/forum/discussion/17665/cuddling-with-no-karma-thoughts/p1
https://www.cuddlecomfort.com/forum/discussion/18069/is-it-a-red-flag-to-meet-a-cuddler-that-has-no-feedback-karma-and-been-a-member-here-since-2018/p1
https://www.cuddlecomfort.com/forum/discussion/19500/all-karmas-are-5-stars/p1
~ Sunset Snuggles
🦄 Enthusiast 🏞 Travel Fiend 🐘 Animal Lover
@Morpheus posted: "it’s well known among the men on this site despite what any female wants to say, it takes an act of god to get a session with an enthusiast."
I guess God acted almost forty times, with my cuddle friends? Also, how do you explain away peeps like @pmvines and @SuperManCuddles who have cuddled dozens of enthusiasts?
"pros will see just about anyone so long as they’re polite and approach them in a way they deem as proper."
Agree with you here, though, regardless of my opinion on that fact. Money talks.
@SunsetSnuggles with all due respect, you’re talking about an extremely small sample size. I can add to that the free sessions that I’ve received from pros and the free hours they’ve cuddled off the clock and the free lunch/dinner outings. It’s still an extremely small sample size. The actual true overall number of sessions men have with enthusiasts reflect an act of god. Blessed are the annointed ones.
@Sooson Awe you're such a victim me so sorry. Last I checked you're pretty capable of not being silent. But here you go,pat pat, there there .
@Morpheus ( is the name from Forbidden Planet?). Look at her first line. Neither nice or polite.
@Morpheus All I can do is speak from personal experience. Female enthusiasts have tons of cuddles, so those cuddles have to be with someone...those someones are male enthusiasts. If it's not happening, my honest opinion is that it's either an issue with one's approach, or that they refuse to travel for their cuddles. I live in the middle of nowhere and travel about seven hours for the vast majority of my cuddles. Most men posting complaints about enthusiasts get pissy about driving thirty minutes, when you drill down and ask them more questions about what the hang-up is. It takes effort and drive to succeed in this gender-wonked cuddle world. Yes, gender-wonked is the technical term.
Thank you, @Morpheus , I generally only post in the forums in a respectful way, trying to be both kind and helpful, even when I disagree with a specific poster.
As to you, @Seeker864, I'm not sure why my post encouraged you to assume I was in judgment of either you, or @carrieanne? I was simply participating in a conversation, trying to bring a perspective that may help. Suggesting I "couldn't be more wrong" diminishes discussion, especially on a topic that doesn't lend itself to right and wrong.
Also your profile description certainly doesn't advance confidence, as you declare that this is not a healthy site, and that you are leaving it. You go on to suggest that cuddlers you met, or tried to, were judgmental, not curious. Yet you yourself exhibit quite a bit of judgmental attitude with most comments here, as well as on your profile.
However, I do also recognize that you sound as though you felt that you were indeed judged, and carry some resentment forward. I am sorry you have had this experience, truly......it can be extremely painful. I don't want to add to your list of those on here that bother you. I simply wanted to add to the conversation.....as it certainly extends beyond you and your experiences. I for one wish you well, and hope that you find the comfort and affection you deserve, from people with whom you have mutual chemistry.
@pmvines well there's one room I'm definitly staying away from.. Appreciate the emotiomal support sir. Nice to see the care giver side of you showing for a change.
@Seeker864 Morpheus is the Greek god of sleep and dreams. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Forbidden Planet. I re-read his first line, I personally didn’t take it badly but I understand everyone has their own levels of tolerance.
@Sooson @Seeker864 Not sure I'd say the silent majority agrees with what's written. Sure there are going to be some pros that aren't 'professional', everyone knows this. I'm sure older folks are judged more for seeking cuddles from a professional especially when there is an age gap, and I'm sure there are professionals on here who wouldn't want to cuddle with me because I'm brown. But for the most part it seems a good majority of professionals don't discriminate based off looks that the ones that do are just noise (and def report those that do).
@SunsetSnuggles I kinda used to think like this, but the guys who do cuddle a lot of enthusiasts are few and far between. Maybe they have ability to travel a lot, attend group cuddle events, are expressive and fun to talk to online, but not everyone can easily travel far and not everyone is great at chatting/building connections online. I do agree that most of the guys whining can do a lot more to get a cuddle, and are quick to blame superficial things like looks. It just sounds like they don't want to do the work. However, based on my perspective as a guy on this forum, even if they did the right things but couldn't travel far from their hometown, there are some guys that might need year or even longer before they find a female enthusiast cuddle buddy on CC.
Looks like we still don't know what the OP meant yet so many of us got argumentative about this (me as well)
There have been a lot of debates about how much and what kind of ID a pro should see before a session. I would think a photo is the bare minimum. Worst case scenario, if she/he gets assaulted, how is it going to look if they say, "Oh, yes, I let this person in my house and went to bed with them, but no, I don't know their name or have a photo of them."
As someone else said, if you have proof that you are being discriminated against by pros, report it to the site (but would you really want a cuddle from someone who genuinely doesn't want to?). Enthusiasts can reject/ignore you for any reason they choose, they aren't governed by the same rules as pros.
It’s a numbers game. On to the next one buddy.
Karma is overrated and doesn’t really tell you anything about a person. I have zero karma but have had dozens of sessions. If he’s not getting pros to book something else is going on . Pros almost always respond to requests. Enthusiasts is a different story, the only enthusiasts who responded to me ended up asking for money right before we agreed to meet and got banned .
I have zero karma but have had dozens of sessions.
This raises red flags like where are the bodies buried if none of them could leave karma.
Well, I am done. Good luck with making money on this side hustle! Hope all your appointments as a “therapist.” are mutually satisfying.
Well, we can't miss you if you never leave.
@WriterGF He's deleted. I would say: "I'd hate to see you go, but I love to watch you leave,"but I can't because that would be deemed non-platonic.
Some of it is your own outlook. Say you message a pro whose profile welcomes all ages/genders/marital statuses with open arms. You approach them respectfully, in a way that should raise no red flags, and they ghost you. One way to look at that is, “Hmm. Dodged a bullet there,” and move on to a different pro. You already fulfilled your half of the social contract, and they didn’t book with you. I’d assume that specific person may have been less than honest in their presentation of themselves/their professional services, so thank goodness I didn’t book with that person and find out I was in for something way different than I was expecting. Move on. Sketchy (or perceived sketchy) behavior from a pro or an enthusiast is its own reward if it pops up before meeting an internet stranger in person. If it consistently happens with multiple pros, either you’re not doing your homework, or they aren’t the problem.
Yes it’s a good idea to do your homework! I will occasionally message myself and try to book a session with myself so that I can practice my communication skills and etiquette! So I do apologize if you message me and I don’t respond right away I’m just busy replying to my own messages. Thank you for your understanding.
Perhaps somewhat off-topic, but I’m wondering why it’s not possible to write a message to a Pro -before- booking?
I like to chat a bit with someone to determine potential chemistry. Why does the site not allow a friendly hello to Pros?
@MRyanNYC On a professional's webpage, you can press the blue "Request to book" button to send a message and see if you guys would be a good fit. Then press the green "Request Booking" button in the messages page to finalize the meeting
It is generally advised to keep chit chat to a minimum with pros, unless they are okay with it
Yes @MRyanNYC you can chat with them first.
@Sooson I'm willing to admit when I cross a line , and I shouldn't have made the disparaging comment towards you that I did . Just because I might have taken issue with your post doesn't give me the right to be demeaning , and that was what I was being to you . My apologies for that .
@pmvines I admire that. I wish everyone could do this.
@SunsetSnuggles You know me well enough to realize that I'm very opinionated and a little rough around the edges , but it's never my intention to hurt anyone . Not over some interwebs forum shit . We too grown for that .
Thanks, @sunnysideup and @Morpheus. I literally did not realize the message could be sent without a booking date.
Appreciate it!
@WriterGF Thank you!👏😁
I'll never understand those who make "a big show" out of leaving a social media website.🙄 If you're gonna go just GO, without the "hesitant whining" (as I like to call it😏).
It reminds me of the times as a child, I would tell my sister on various occasions "that I am running away from home cuz blah, blah, blah..." 😄
Due to not getting my way, of course! Wah!😄
I'd even pack a pillowcase with nothing but toys and snacks.🧸🪀🧩🍬🍭🧁
As if, that alone was suppose to sustain me on "my farewell travels"...😄🤦♀️🤭
Hey, I was only between ages 4 and 6 at the time, what did ya expect me to pack? 😆😁😄
I'd just whine and prolong the actual running away apart...LOL!😄 Plus I would never get further then the curb (or the first few steps) either, we lived in alot of apartment complexes growing up.😊
One way to look at that is, “Hmm. Dodged a bullet there,” and move on to a different pro. You already fulfilled your half of the social contract, and they didn’t book with you. I’d assume that specific person may have been less than honest in their presentation of themselves/their professional services, so thank goodness I didn’t book with that person and find out I was in for something way different than I was expecting. Move on.
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@JLM That's how I look at it, when I message other Enthusiasts with respectful polite messages who don't respond back. Hell, maybe they think that I too am just another "Wallet enthusiast" looking for a quick buck!🙄
Just like SeekerDude accused me of being elsewhere on another thread!😑🤨
Whatever, as I didn't even bother commenting on that garbage.😌
I just accept their NO RESPONSE as a response, delete my icebreaker messages and move on eventually after a certain amount of days have gone by. I don't keep inboxes cluttered with old unaswered messages...I just don't!😊🤷♀️
And I have been taking advantage of the NOTE feature too😉👍, as I don't want to keep messaging the same Enthusiasts over and over again either. That's been really helpful!😁
@JLM great perspective
@Katota Yeah, reminds me of the facebook days when folks would announce they're taking a break. Or they did a lot of thinking and skimmed down their friends list, and if you read the post you're one the chosen few type posts