I would be all for that but I am not holding my breath.
@Minestrone101 You really need a college education to make some common sense decisions on diet?
Diet isn’t always about common sense when you are very poor.
Poor people don't have common sense?
I bought a sandwich at Schlotzsky's, a local Austin chain, that cost me nearly $20. But for $20 I can buy some fruit, vegetables, and ground beef at the local grocery store. Staying away from junk food is healthier and makes better economic sense.
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To teach, to be allowed to fail, to censor knowledge, Darwinism, isolationism, more involvement, less involvement, karma, freedom to choose, the population is to stupid to understand what’s good for them… and many many more collected over the past few days across threads from this running conversation.
It all boils down to this: Control. Arrogance. Restriction. Dehumanization. Ego. Narrow mindedness.
To apply limited thinking to fellow human beings as if it should be law is a form of evil. The desire to control a life that isn’t your own. It demonstrates a lack of empathy and intelligence to know where you end and they begin. It’s taking ownership of something that doesn’t belong to you. The arrogance of believing that with our perspective (which is limited by the confines of our own experience and filtered through the lens of our consciousness alone) we could possibly know what’s right for someone else. The God complex is astounding.
@txtom 20$???? you realize at minimum wage and under employed people who are down and out buy things like large bags of rice, noodles, pasta sauce, bread and maybe milk for generic cereal from one of those big bags. Things that will last a long time, have calories and cost 5$ max and that is sometimes the budget for the entire week. . Ask me how I know? I didn’t taste a fresh vegetable until I was 19. Healthy eating is a luxury.
@stormydaycuddle - I think I paid $15 for 20lb bag of white rice. It'll probably last a year though.
@stormydaycuddle Well, for $5, that's even better. And it's no doubt healthier than fast food which will cost more. That's my point exactly. It's just common sense.
A lot of what the poor buy is processed because it fills you up cheap. There’s no such thing as common sense like that when you’re poor. You take the option that will ensure your survival and sometimes there is only one. That is the common sense. I never went to fast food as a kid even in the 80-90s. It was too expensive then too.
Why wouldn't the groceries you just listed for $5 fill you up just as much as a $5 cheeseburger?
The food court inside Costco has the best deal around. Where else can you get an entire meal including a drink for $1.50?
Do you realize how messed up this is? You are arguing semantics with me over a lifestyle you clearly have never lived. The groceries I listed were for multiple days for a family. You’ve clearly never been there and you’re arguing with me… this is absolutely astounding. Read my comment above about God complexes
Having worked with children in a variety of settings, I experience them as deeply good, with a desire to love and be loved. It's because they are present, opening up authenticity; they can't help but be who they are which has real goodness. The greatest conspiracy is bypassing presence (where children naturally live before they are taught or traumatized from this place) to be fueled by the offerings of the mind where past and future dwell. The world beyond presence has endless offerings in the form of achievements, success, compelling distractions which bypass the world of now here. The human experience of utopia embraces human imperfections and diversity of personality. Death and sickness are natural, part of our humanity. Collectively shifting from a place of past and future into the timeless experience of now would open up our heart essence, where the world is a different experience.
It is possible for intelligent people to lack the resources necessary to carry out the good decisions they are capable of making.
I know a great number of poor people, and a good percentage of them are highly intelligent. There are times when people experience losses that are no fault of their own.
It's very easy for anyone to think of simple solutions for people experiencing things that we haven't experienced. Those "simple solutions" may not apply in certain situations, for reasons that we do not, and can not, know.
Actually, @stormydaycuddle I'm agreeing with you. I'm not arguing about anything. You said,
groceries I listed were for multiple days for a family.
I agree. That's why it's a better choice than buying fast food. Where's our disagreement?
Oh, and how do you know my family history so well that you can speculate about
a lifestyle you clearly have never lived.
I'm not arguing with you. It appears you want to argue, though.
@TxTom I think she's saying a $5 budget for the whole week, instead of spending $5 on on just one meal like a cheeseburger. If there are tiers to wealth, there are the kinds that can afford to eat out at nice places, the kind that can afford to buy decent groceries, those who can afford to buy only cheap bulk items, and there are lower tiers of wealth, I'm sure.
@stormydaycuddle beans are also fairly cheap as well? How did you get your complete protein needs met when you were under such a budget?
@Mike403 They take a loss on that good deal so they can keep you in the store longer and hopefully you buy something
@BoomerSpooner I say we all live in our mom's basements until the cost of living goes down
@txtom and your comments to boomerspooner never happened? The way you spin stuff is astounding. I hope it makes sense to you.
@sunnysideup It was the 90s and sometimes I didn’t. I went to bed hungry a lot.
@sunnysideup I don't know what she's saying. She's upset that I agree with her about a $5 bulk grocery bill?
I dunno.
@stormydaycuddle I'm sorry you experienced that. 🫂
@JoyfulHeart Its fine I’m in a far better place now.
@txtom you can keep removing parts of what you said from your future arguments and spinning all you want until you “agree” with someone. It doesn’t change the previous dismissal of Boomers statement about the poor. Which I told you was mistaken. So you narrowed it down to fast food…then the budget…etc until there was a place where you could claim it was never your argument in the first place.
@TxTom Sorry, I misread your comment. The diet she listed though, doesn't sound particularly filling, it's mostly empty calories. Bread, pasta and sauce don't provide complete proteins (like a cheeseburger), and cereal isn't particularly nutritious. I think the gap in communication here is maybe, that she couldn't grocery shop to be healthy, she could only grocery shop to put something in her stomach and that comes with disadvantages (health issues), whereas a healthier diet even at a grocery store would be more unaffordable. Sorry if I'm speaking for you @stormydaycuddle
@stormydaycuddle I was asking @BoomerSpooner for clarification concerning comments about being poor and common sense. I didn't agree or disagree with him.
@sunnysideup thank you. This was when I was a child/teen.
Oh, my actual goodness. The speed of this spin is making me dizzy. I’m going to go lay down.
Thanks to everyone for your support. I’m in the total opposite place now where I have to remind myself that it didn’t end with me. There are still people out there. Hugs
To change the topic a little, it's almost impossible to google a good healthy diet and come up with a consensus. I've heard that vegetables are bad for you, meat is bad for your, fruit is bad for you, grains are bad, only thing is that I haven't yet heard that water is bad . So I will only eat ice to be healthy??
My college has a free food pantry on site for students. I don't utilize it because I don't need to, but it's nice that it's available for struggling students.
Fresh foods and vegetables are honestly quite expensive for someone in poverty. Not to mention many poor areas do not have grocery stores in close proximity. Often the poor will go to a convenience store, get chips for $1, and that will fill the family up for a meal. And I’m thinking there are no $20 sandwiches there either.
@sunnysideup Thanks for trying to clear that up. That makes sense.
@jplemmon I understand what you're saying, too. My statement earlier about a nearly $20 Schlotsky's sandwich wasn't me bragging or anything. That's literally what it cost. I'm in Austin, TX. Everything's extremely inflated here.