Masculinity or femaninity or anonymity lol really doesnt have wisdom in a forum thread,) Just the continuois neverending cycle of self gratification which is toxic.
Another fail at an attempt to turn hip hop lyrics into a masterclass on life.
The earth rotates on any axis of ignorant ideological impotence developed by a few to move the masses to self destruction.
Happy Friday and remember to look into the mirror whenever in self doubt and smile while you tell yourself how much you care about you. Then take that outside and mirror it for the rest of those around your. Or dont.
@KaaGee 💯
The "cure" for Toxic Masculinity is to be more Feminine. The "cure" for Toxic Femininity is to be more Masculine.
Toxic Crusaders (1991) "They're gross, but they still get girls."
Was Tate right?
@chocobunny I don't think standing up for women is effeminate at all. It's being compassionate and empathetic.
I'm interested in your take on Toxic Feminity.
Andrew Tate was arrested for human trafficking.
@Will564 Well, he's Dad isn't he so many. I think there's an interesting juxtaposition here, because before he brought up two kids, me and brother, he was a paratrooper. As you know, they don't just let anyone in. Only the toughest, smartest soldiers. Imagine that for a second. Those contradicting and loving traits. This man jumped out of aircraft, weighed down with kit, ready to do battle to protect his family, his friends. Cold War warrior. And then he comes home and raises two kids, teaches us, nurtures us. Do you see?
Masculinity and femininity are two fluid concepts. None of us fit into two defined groups, man, and woman. The world doesn't work like that. The world is chaos. For us to truly be happy with who we are, we have to flow with it.
That's it, that's about all I have on the subject. 😊
@zerolight40 sounds like a great man . so he wasn't gruff like the dad in wonder years?
@zerolight40
Yeah, I definitely see the value in having enough strength to be able to protect people, but at the same time having enough kindness and understanding to give them the emotional support they need as well. I think those are admirable traits in anyone.
And as you said, it’s an interesting spectrum with a lot of flow, where some people may be right in the middle, and others may have a stronger sense on one side or another. Or it could flow from time to time.
I also think it’s interesting how a strength can be a flaw in different situations, and knowing how to adapt strengths to different situations and people is a really strong skill. Ultimately I think it comes down to being able to put others before yourself, but to do it in a way that isn’t overwhelming for you but is satisfying and gives you purpose. It’s kind of like finding what your natural strengths are and using them in ways that give you satisfaction through serving others.
That adaptability is a pretty strong skill. Knowing when to take charge and when to step back. When to be humble and listen, when to speak. Having patience with others but being decisive when necessary. Being kind, even when it means making difficult decisions. Recognizing your flaws and being open and honest about them, and using your strengths to their maximum potential.
Things that for me are much easier said than done, but I think are good traits in anyone. All of the details can vary from person to person and situation to situation, but I think it’s hard to argue against the general idea.
@Minestrone101 🤣🤣 I remember that show, it was brilliant!!
@Will564 Yes exactly. Adaptability was the word I was looking for. Perfect description of what I'm getting at. Hard when you need to be, soft when you need to be, loving when you need to be, the list goes on. Nailed it.
A gentle man.
(-edited for spelling for context clarification)
@Platypus0110
Gentile - noun; a non-Jewish person.
gentle - adjective; being calm, kind, or soft.
Actually, that's exactly what I meant.
I don't really know why it's difficult.
@Platypus0110 interesting. That puts your previous messages in an entirely different perspective, as now we know there's a religious and ethnic component, not temperamental.
More "or", less "and".
But still, missing the context.
@Platypus0110 so if gentiles display healthy masculinity, what about Jewish men makes them examples of toxic masculinity?
Ah. Now I understand. The phone screen didn't catch my spelling typo. I meant to type "gentle". Somehow it ended up "gentile".
Therefore, my apologies for the confusion.
Although, you do raise an interesting point as to why word origins are what they are.
I would like to know why you assume the opposite or complement of gentle would be "toxic", a word that is an emotional clarifier to a natural and proper behavior.
@Platypus0110 I didn't assume the opposite of gentle is toxic. I was going back to the original topic - healthy masculinity vs toxic masculinity. And given that it appeared you had said gentile men were an example of healthy masculinity, it led to the question of why those who are not gentiles (aka Jewish) would be unhealthy (aka toxic).
You may wish to go back and clarify your other statements in the other thread, as I was confused over the use of "gentile" there as well, and I'm likely not the only one to get the wrong impression of your views.
Cuddlefaery,
Understandable. And you are correct, there may be confusion. Thank you for clarifying and pointing it out. I will go back and correct the spelling.
Thank you for taking me pointing it out with grace, truly. Misunderstandings like this are why I say word choices matter. Sometimes typos and spelling errors don't matter and absolutely can be let slide, but other times it changes the meaning of what is being said and so clarification needs to happen.
I appreciate you clearing it up without getting defensive or reading extra intent into my correction 🤗
And thank you for understanding there was, in fact, an error, and pointing it out. I can see where this could have gotten a lot of friction.
So was Andre the Giant a gentle gentile giant?
(just in case there's any doubt, Princess Bride is in my "Top 10 movies of all time" list)
Considering Andre wasn't Jewish, it's possible.
I never said protecting women is effeminate. Providing and protecting is considered to be a masculine trait.
Have people actually researched toxic masculinity and toxic femininity? Or only the former? I know it’s more in style to chat about.
@Jubal between Princess Bride and Firefly/Serenity, we could have a heck of a marathon 😁
@chocobunny yes, actually, I have studied both. In college, even, and continuing over the past 11 years since I graduated.
The problem is that while, yes, toxic/unhealthy femininity absolutely does exist, it: 1. is not nearly as common/widespread/omnipresent in the lives of people in our culture, thus why it is not "in style" to discuss; 2. largely is in reaction to toxic/unhealthy masculinity, which is a far more systemic problem; 3. from an academic and anthropological standpoint, both stem from continuing to force an outdated patriarchal power system and its values onto a society that has been striving towards more egalitarian means of distributing power and more inclusive of individualistic differences. The conflict that creates causes the social conflicts between genders that we see now.
@chocobunny So is a mother bear, cat, or any other animal protecting her young a masculine trait then?
Thanks @cuddlefaery, I agree with 2 (obvious yet true) and 3(beautifully explained and worded).
Sadly predictable @Vocalist100. In traditional and even non-traditional households between men and women the man is expected to be the main protector. Globally.
@chocobunny actually, not globally. While men being the "protector of the household" is the majority of cultures, it is not the only. There's well documented cultures where either the women are the protectors of the home or the duty is shared equally, and historically it is believed to have been a shared responsibility back in hunter-gatherer times despite the typical "caveman" stereotype we have cultivated in more recent centuries.
One source of this information linked here.
Another example of a culture centering women warriors/protectors. It should be noted that people claiming that these cultures don't exist ignore Africa, South East Asia, Oceania, South American, and indigenous North American cultures past and present. Every time.
An example from South America is/was indigenous Andean culture with gender equality, though it's been mostly wiped out by colonialism, some small pockets still exist.
And of course all this is ignoring the fact that most of these indigenous cultures do not operate on the gender binary in the first place - they have their own concepts of gender and often have a third gender or even more gender identities, often tied to spirituality rather than sexual organs, and gender fluid identities. And third gender folks have also acted as protectors both historically and in modern times.
Actually yes globally. Globally as in a common practice outside of the US. Naturally there are exceptions to every rule but I haven’t heard of any societies where the woman is the physical protector. I do know there are societies where men aren’t allowed or where land is passed down the female line.
Various things are “historically believed” for various reasons and agendas so who knows?