I seem to go back and forth as to which is more important to me depending on my mood, world events et,al. Sometimes, I feel you can't have one without the other.
I think it was Ben Franklin who said "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." He was addressing a very specific incident that was going on at the time in Pennsylvania, but it's still true on a broader scale. The more freedom that you have, the less security you'll have. The more security you have, the less freedom you'll have.
TANSTAAFL - you can't have both at once. Freedom is more important to me personally, but I know others have different views on this.
edit another quote also comes to mind "You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." I'll remember who said it at some point
With respect, this is an essentially human and critically important topic, on which I have deeply held convictions. Which is why I won’t share them here.
This is going to rapidly devolve into politics and passive aggressive posturing.
Freedom, no question. I reflect back over my life and the times where I have had to choose and it didn't hurt my family I chose freedom, and most of the time when I didn't ... I'm not proud of those incidents.
I think people work very hard to achieve security so they eventually have the freedom to do as they please.
Freedom! That will give me the ability to provide security for myself and loved ones, to a certain extent.
Enjoying the comments. I don't see this as political.
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Liberty. Without such, security isn't possible.
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Your premise is completely divorced from reality.
@Eliezer He is essentially trying to tell you that you will get timed out or worse if you start talking politics. Politics are not allowed on this site except through DMs if the other person is willing.
@Eliezer TXTom's response has nothing to do with his politics. This is CuddleComfort, not a news or politics site. Political discussion violates CC TOS. There are loads of other places on the web to discuss these issues.
Folks. I'm not playing. If there is one more political post that is reported, I'm shutting this down.
IMHO the question poses a false dichotomy. Security and freedom are not an “either or” proposition. Oppression does not create security and lawlessness does not create freedom.
I actually was thinking of this in a different way. When it comes to Linux, I'd say you have both more freedom as well as security than if you have Windows. Freedom of choice of Linux distribution and how you want to customize your experience on it, as well as free open-source software. I would also argue that it has more security than Windows, as it is harder for malware to target multiple different versions of Linux rather than the same few versions, as well as other reasons.
Freedom: Linux provides far more freedom because of its open-source nature, customizability, and control over the system, allowing users to shape their environment as they see fit.
Security: Linux is generally considered more secure due to its permissions system, reduced malware targeting, and the fact that most Linux distributions have robust security tools and patching systems in place.
Though I do own computers with Windows, Linux, and MacOs. I use windows or MacOS for specific programs or games, but otherwise I spend most of my time using either Linux Mint or ElementaryOS (another linux distro) when at home. At work it's not up to me so that's a different story.
Freedom and security can exist side by side, and both are essential to creating a functioning, just, and stable society. While they may sometimes appear to be in conflict, when balanced thoughtfully, they reinforce each other. Freedom without security can lead to chaos, while security without freedom can lead to oppression. Finding the right balance is crucial for maintaining both personal liberty and societal well-being.
I love this quote from Benjamin Franklin.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety
I would not give up freedom for security.
Really quickly ...before someone gets this thread shutdown by Sid (because Sid is ON it! 😎)
Freedom. Cuz it's sadly been proven over and over again by watching how animals behave in captivity (think about the orcas at SeaWorld). 🐋
Animals in captivity have everything they need and want for survival and happiness....but they lose the feeling of some level of control and also ownership in their environment. That creates something called learned helplessness (plus a bunch of other things that will take too long to talk about) and affects the brain is super detrimental ways. 😔😢
Don't take my word for it. Do the research. Here's one to start:
https://www.worldanimalprotection.us/latest/blogs/heres-how-captivity-affects-mammals-brains/
I want to be the last human on earth, so I don’t have to worry about other people controlling me or endangering me
Both are delusions that pacify our egos, and need for control.
Not too surprising that we cling to these delusions, because being conscious and alive at the same time is more or less constantly terrifying without those delusions.
But, simply considering scope, we have very little power, and even less control.
It’s logical to minimize risks, but if the sky falls on you that’s that.
Can you ever have either, or just the illusion or perception?
I always thought freedom was being able to do what I want to do, to pursue my wants, more or less. And in one sense it is.
But I read another idea of what freedom is in a book once. The author said that true freedom is being able to have or not have the things I want, and still feel happy and at peace.
I am soaking in all these good thoughts. Thanks
Freedom is free will to choose. Freedom to fail. Freedom to win. Freedom to go. Freedom to stay. Freedom of autonamy. True freedom will always be limited by consequences, punishment and safeguards. It does also depend on certain variables and factors (trying to not be political) which will in turn make attainability of freedom ebb and flow. At best you might be 70 percent free.
@billiam here's some notions of freedom for you to ponder:
"I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."
“Cast me into a dungeon;, burn me at the stake, crown me king of kings, I can 'pursue happiness' as long as my brain lives -- but neither gods nor saints, wise men nor subtle drugs, can insure that I will catch it.”
Both come from the same genius.
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To Me, money can provide both freedom and security...True, FINANCIAL freedom and security! 😆🤑
This reminds something I heard Dana White say : Real freedom is being able to go to a restaurant and not worry about how much it cost. Everything else is bullshit.