I am so far behind and not even sure what this is about...
Though from what I spotted, I'd like to say:
I get the all for example: "If it's against my religion, I wouldn't do it." Though if one is a bakery owner, they are simply supplying food to people, regardless of their sex, race, religion, sexual orientation etc. If one is a doctor they're also doing a service for the people. Edit: Business is business.
Now I highly doubt a drowning person, would refuse to get in the boat of someone who he/she would otherwise not service. We are all different, we need to respect, understand and love one another no matter what path we choose to follow - as long as we are not hurting anyone or crossing a line in the court of law. Just as much as you want acceptance, respect and love the person next to you wants it.
Respect.
Peace. Love. Unity.
@RScarf1 I wouldnt listen to anything pmvines has to say to be honest. as for Scarlet she is a troll.. Cant really be offended by it because you did the same to me! cuddlebugTM is basically doing the same thing as scarlet when men voice about their feelings women try to emasculate men by saying and posting things to take what they feel and make them look like there is nothing wrong by discrediting your feelings and women are still the victims or we the men are wines because we are speaking up about how we feel. So instead of them taking into consideration of our feelings they basically like to spin it around, make themselves feel good just to respond without actually being supportive and doing anything to make it equal they want their privilege and will keep putting people down until they feel good or get what they want. They have no desire to be equals they want full control and power. Which is why they try to get anyone they dont like kicked from this website.
I wonder why feminist didnt like this new movie the red pill.... Try watching some things about that and see how women reacted to mens rights. A whole lot of misandrist came out of the wood work on that one! They tried to ban the film for one!! Then made it so a guy could not come and talk about equal rights for mens shelters they had 40 for women in the city and 1 for men. Lots of funding for women yet nothing for men.. Yeah lets talk about mens rights!!! Yet they would not let the man come and talk.. They put him down and would not let him speak! Its wild how bad the behavior of some of these women really are!! Plus creating all this propaganda about men. plus all these women emasculating men to get their points across.. I guess they want to be empowered all right. They want full power. Not equality. If one side doesnt listen and posts oh we are crying babies and yet if we did that to them how would they respond. Its a two way street here.. I really dont like some of the posters on this website to be completely honest. Most are negative people that put others down. pmvines Ive never seen a positive comment from the guy, no offense. He states he is not trying to single you out, however he is singling you out. haha He just thinks its you and not anyone else. As he said the same thing to me when I tried to voice my feeling about how I felt. So when women speak up its ok, when a man does it its not!! Not only that he puts his experiences into your context and says I dont see it, well because he has not lived in your shoes or experienced what you have gone through and willl not choose to see from your eyes he continues to say his experience and only from his experiences so he does not get it or how you feel or what you have gone though... because if he has never experience it you most definitely have not sir... I get ya... As he is saying hes always been empathetic to women as he has always helped them being a social worker and mainly dealing with women and as he is doing now is being empathetic towords them and not you.. I think most are just looking out for themselves, as another guy posted in one of my threads that is closed.. hey youre going to ruin it for the rest of us. he said... so Im sure he will say its really you not anyone else because really, he would rather pick apart what youre saying and put it into a negative back to you so he will not go against his tribe so he agrees with them for his own benefit to look good, they all bounce off each other, this is their social place and in turn not really caring about helping others. As they seem to chalk it up with laughter instead of being empathetic towards others. Im surprised the moderators let these women and people carry on as they do... I guess we all do pick favorites eh I noticed a lot of them being nice to the moderators in posts thanking them yet being not so nice to others like you and I.
A good watch MEETING THE ENEMY A feminist comes to terms with the Men's Rights movement | Cassie Jaye | TEDxMarin
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There are a few things I could see in the video . There are things that need to be addressed about men’s needs . The thing most women I know do support men getting help in DV situations or being raped . Most women I know get very angry at women for lying about rape , they don’t justify it . Men should have just as much right to raise their child . My problem is much of the talk isn’t about these real issues . It’s mostly anti equality , anti woman . I’m a womanist who loves men , just because I will call men out when they are aggressive and inapropriate doesn’t mean I’m Anti men . It’s simple. I believe in equal pay and opportunity . I believe that everyone should be treated equally and their body is their own . I rarely see men actually talk about these real issues . Mostly I see the hateful talk . Do I think Men over all are oppressed NO , can we do better in some areas, of course .
Oh, brother...
It is indeed unfortunate that some women in places of power sometimes abuse that power (some of them do it with women as well as men). I haven't worked in about 10 years, so I am unable to say what current workplace attitudes might be like. However, in times past, many (perhaps most) men in places of power abused it as a matter of course, because they were able to. They abused both men and women, but in addition to the women getting the same abuse as the men, they also had their own sexual abuse, because they were women. It seems to me that some women may be being abusive to men in particular as a means of making up for the centuries of abuse women have had to endure in a patriarchal society. I agree that abuse in any form is wrong, and that having a 'reason' for it does not excuse it, but at least it does perhaps provide some perspective as to the why. To me, @cuddlebugTM's meme seems to go to the heart of the matter. Men who have been privileged to be in charge for centuries, as well as those they have raised, might feel oppressed by the threat of equality. Jim
I think both Scarlette and Pmvines have so much good things to contribute to discussions and I find them quite helpful.
Even if some times I don't agree with someone, I don't dismiss them altogether because everyone has valuable contributions, strengths and good if they so choose to put good use to what they've. We can all learn from one another if each one of us chooses to try to see one another's point of view and respect one another. This is no place for hate and separation.
From what I understand you've had terrible experiences with women throughout your life. That's unfortunate. You're not alone. There are also many women who had terrible experiences with men. There are people who had downfalls of all kinds and we all had our share of bumpy rides.
The thing is to learn to heal, to continue moving, not to settle for people who don't treat you well regardless of their sex. I don't and would never say: oh look it's a man or a woman, many men/women were jerks to me before so he/she must be too. NO. I give a chance and if they don't treat me right, I move on to the next.
@Lovelight I agree with you fully (everyone has valuable contributions, strengths and good if they so choose to put good use to what they've. We can all learn from one another if each one of us chooses to try to see one another's point of view and respect one another. This is no place for hate and separation.)
For the record - I don't hate anyone or am I trying to hate on anyone I dislike a little because of the way they have responded to some of my previous posts, I felt like I would do as they are doing to me. Do I hold grudges no, Honestly I am not trying to separate, I am doing quite the opposite I am trying to find good people to build a support system, When you got people calling you troll and saying its you... That is not very supportive.. If they want to be supportive of others and myself I do not mind sending love and support their way however I have never felt that from them. I also did not see them giving love or support to @RScarf1 I was trying to stick up for him. As I was for a few others in this community. I am trying to learn from others in this community as well as share my knowledge. However I am not going to take someones shit I will call them out on it, just like they have done to me. I want to be treated with respect and not emasculated because I want to share my feelings as I am sure @RScarf1 wants to too! I think men deserve empathy, respect and compassion just as much as women. I am trying to speak up, promote communication, let us talk about equality how do we all get along, how do we make it a win win for both parties.. Do I know all the answers no.. which is why I am here. I am trying to seek answers and comfort which is why I am here. I love all people and I will continue to do so for the rest of my life as well as try to bridge the gap between and make things more harmonious to create balance and understanding. I might say or make some mistakes along the way, however if I didn't I would not be human or trying for that matter. So I hope everyone can be a bit more humble, compassionate and gentle towards each other and hold no hard feelings as I am not. I am just trying to make a point in which we need to be more supportive of each other and do it in positive manner not in such a negative way. So if anyone wants to add or suggest things I am all ears however do not, disrespect or emasculate me with your posts or call me a chauvinist or racist as I love all people as equals. Dont try to repress mens emotions for speaking out about how they feel, Our emotions have been repressed enough...We need to learn how to work through it, Also we could learn to teach women how to talk to men properly, just as women have been doing to men. so they dont do these things as well. The only way to do this is through proactive communication & education.
Alright. Hope all gets better for you.
Everything is great with me. I just need love and affection... Cuddling.. Which I can't do myself.. I require a womans healing touch. To help get rid of my skin hunger. Which is the main reason I am here. Yet no luck on that one!!
If someone offers you help after you have asked for it, and they are more expert about the subject than you, or else why did you ask them for help to begin with, then you should follow the suggestions they make rather than say you would prefer to do it your way. And if on top of that, another person offers you help, and you never get back to them, then I think you have no place in hollering about lack of support! People are willing to help, but there is nothing they can do if you don't let them.
For one you're not offering the support I am looking for - Which clearly goes against what you just said to me about listening... because clearly you were not sir... as I clearly stated on my thread, why I joined this site! I Also stated I am willing to listen, however I am not willing to conform to your paradigms or ideology. If it does not resonate with me. If however it does then I will consider it.. So which subjects are you claiming to be an expert about? Also could you please show me your credentials... @I_am_Polylover
Also I would have appreciated if you kept it to one post instead of bouncing from thread to thread and going off topic in my skin hunger thread.. I guess that is your expert skills at work?
Thank you for posting the video of the woman who made The Red Pill movie. I will watch the movie. I'm not going to comment further because I'm taking a break from commenting on the forum. I'll be back in March.
@Love_Arcitect I don't think any of us have the credentials you need.
@RScarf1 I think I am going to do the same here shortly as I find it to be emotionally draining. To try to express how I feel and then always have to defend how I feel because others way to tell me how to feel.
@Scarlette - Not unless you're a female that I feel comfortable with, that is offering to come over and give me love and affection I need. That is about the only credential you need. I guess that is too much to ask for though...
As I explained talking does nothing for me... If everyone wants to talk to me and tell me how to feel, what could be good for me, what I should do, How I should behave.. I'm getting very tired of that. As being a man I deal with that ever single day pretty much. If someone wants to (Perform me an act of service) physically offer to come over and give me the affection and love I'm asking for as in that is what I am here looking for, I am open to that. What I am not interested in is conforming to people and being a sheep or being told by any type of authority, how I should behave because of how I feel or suppress my emotions to conform.. Which you basically want to control me to act and behave as you wish. I am not interested in being trained...This is a form of power I wish to not take part in. I am a very kind soul, that always promotes kindness, appreciation and compassion for others. However, If you keep taking swings at me, I will have no choice being backed into a corner to start swinging back.
Is that the type of support you were referring to?
@I_am_Polylover
Here I will try to explain in the context described by Gary Chapman in one of his books called The 5 Love Languages.
Everyone has a different love language and each person gives and receives it differently.
So lets reference what you are doing your offering this type of support... (Words of Affirmations) Lets say.. Okay.. that's great and all you think you're giving support however... I do not speak that language as it does nothing for me... So my love tank after awhile becomes empty.. From lack of love...
What does fill my love take up is someone speaking to me in my love language... (physical Touch) So that is how I give and receive love. Do I know how to speak the other languages well I try to learn by asking the person a series of questions to determine that so then I can try to love them in such a way that makes them feel loved. Would this be considered bad or good communication asking questions and the person how they liked to be loved? I do that out of the kindness of my heart because I sincerely care about that person and want them to feel loved and cared for. As I posted.. Be selfish to ask for what you want and need, yet be selfless to your partners wants and needs.
A good listen too.
Dub FX 10/10/2008 'Love Someone'
"So lets reference what you are doing your offering this type of support... (Words of Affirmations) Lets say.. Okay.. that's great and all you think you're giving support however... I do not speak that language as it does nothing for me... So my love thank after awhile becomes empty.. From lack of love..." I think this is your truth and is your opinion.
Okay, so I think you're being given support just not the way you want it. In which case it's not that you're not being supported, just not the way you want to be supported.
Mind-blown. Lol
I wish you were multilingual when it comes to love languages and it's good that you try so just keep trying and you may see you're getting a lot of love and support all around.
As for me I have a few ways I tend to express my love. Some times I try to give the way the other person generally gives. However, I accept and am open to so many ways of showing love. I am free to express my ways and they're free to their. I think that can create balance to accept one another for how we express our love. Same expressions are also well.
I am multilingual in the love languages, we all are, like I said though, more explained... Everyone one has a primary one a secondary and so on.. Which is why is good to know what yours is and others so you can ask for what you want and need to feel loved. This is words from the book the 5 love languages. Which clearly you have never read..
@lovelight correct. (Okay, so I think you're being given support just not the way you want it. In which case it's not that you're not being supported, just not the way you want to be supported.)
I think this is your truth and is your opinion. - You are also correct that I do resonate with this ideology of psychology.
Here is what your are saying to me.. If say you were hungry and I gave you a plane, you should be happy with it because I am at least giving you something. However having a plane will not feed or take care of my hunger. Do you see what I am trying to explain to you? @Lovelight because this is what you're saying....
(I wish you were multilingual when it comes to love languages and it's good that you try so just keep trying and you may see you're getting a lot of love and support all around.
Yeah I guess it's nice to have a fleet of planes to look at, Yet they do not feed my skin hunger...
Well there are only 5 ways.. So unless you can explain which they are they probably fall into one of those categories.. We all need all 5 to be happy. This is why people stay in relationships because the tank is somewhat okay. If they are happy they stay, when a person becomes unhappy it is because the tank becomes dry.. So if you know how to fill it, your relationships stand a better chance. All I am saying that is words from the book. Basically.. In my own words..
That analogy is off. You're hungry for food but she gives you a plane??? I think it's more like your hungry for pizza and she gives you a cheeseburger. There are different languages of love but they are all languages just not the one you want. Like pizza and burgers are food just not the one you want.
If you were my child I'd tell you to be happy with your burger and stop whining because there are starving people. @Love_Articect be happy with the support you are getting and stop whining because there are lonelier people then you.
Oh...one more thing I say to my children that I'll pass on to you.... SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP! That's what ya call tough love!
yep Scarlette like going to burger joint asking for a pizza then getting upset at them for not giving you pizza !
I never read the book (not actually much of a book reader) although it is interesting and I find psychology interesting.
Secondly, I know that everyone has primary, secondary, etc tendencies in behaviors/personality/etc and also most things change around some from day to day, hour to hour even if tiny bits. It's why I said: "...As for me I have a few ways I tend to express my love."
Thirdly, if I wanted food and someone gave me a plane. I'll understand it's what they could give/what they wanted to give/what they gave. I'd be so happy! Thank them for their gift and keep going until I find what I need most. Or I could always sell the plane, buy food and more. Edit: or rent it out.
LOL, the burgers usually do it for me til I get the ice cream.
Looks like @Scarlette and CuddlebugTM are trolling again!
See this is exactly what I keep talking about. .. You say my analogy is off.. Which is my feelings and my wants and needs.. Then you go on to say... suck it up and stop whining than compare me to others. This is trying to repress my emotions because I am speaking up about my wants and needs. Then protest that I am a baby or your child. So emasculating.. Seriously when will this trolling stop... ?
Clearly both of you fail to understand what someones wants and needs are.... Then chalk it up like you know better what that person wants or needs for themselves.. MIND BLOWING! I am done with this thread and the people in it. Wow What a group you got here! I can only hope some of you women will one day learn how to love, appreciate and respect men properly. I just can't with you people anymore..
Pointless @lovelight Okay you fail to see... There is no selling the plane, to buy anything or rent it out.. shaking my head right now at the stupidity of this group. Well while you wait, you die of starvation or kill yourself because no one understands and you would rather end the suffering. This is my point. You all are selfish to give only what you want, yet fail to listen to what the need iis being asked for the other person, Yet tell them to conform to what is being given.....I am so happy I am not your child... This is not selfless... this is completely selfish. There is no compromise with you people.. I am done.
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Conversing is trolling lol
Okay so you will now admit you're trolling? Instead of admitting you did not understand the analogy and ask me to explain it better. @scarlette .. .She points out apparently I am doing it incorrectly..
See here how she is saying its more like your hungry for pizza and shes gives you a cheeseburger...
So I am felt to make like I am doing it wrong.. my words, analogy, outlook, the way I am expressing myself in incorrect... because heaven forbid a woman is doing it incorrectly with her behavior, Its always us men that are doing it wrong because we wont shut up and take whatever is given to us even though its not what we want.. Which I would like to point out here. As some women use this tactic on men and others to discredit the person into emotionally manipulating the person to act and do as they want. Trolling or Controlling.. Your pick... I guess some women in this case however all people can learn this pattern at a young age and have been using it for years. To some its such a normal behavior they don't even notice they are doing it because it is embedded in their subconscious.
( I would like to state because there are a lot of you who will say it can be both men and women.. ect.. ) I am referring to this situation and a couple others not all situations... It happens on both sides...
I would also like to add.. I've had enough tough love growing up as a man... Also as a man we are the one always giving out love... We are very rarely on the receiving end of it as women are more of the receivers.. So I really would just love some gentle love for once in my life... some cuddles and comfort. As that is what I really want. If anyone cares, what I actually want....That's what I would love to receive. Gentle Platonic Touch..
Logic has no place here damnit
I don't think there is a need to summarize or copy and paste the last 6 posts. People can read them. But while we are copying and pasting..." There is no compromise with you people.. I am done. " done???
It’s about finding a woman who wants what you want . If you cant agree to her boundaries then it’s a bad match and vice versa
This would be the wrong place to find her if you are looking for something more than platonic . It’s quite simple .